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Meeting: Crockett City Council, 2026-07-06
Identified from a later tape, not this one: August 3 says the Texas 21 motion (mayor as representative, Miss [name] and Mr. [name]an as alternates) was made July 6. This file contains that motion and opens by approving the June 15, 2026 regular-session minutes. This file never says its own date. It starts mid-sentence and includes a long break.
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0:000 secondsa little bit when people we can debate and not fall out and so there will be some challenges but just remember we're here to do what's best for everyone.
0:1010 secondsThank you.
0:1212 secondsAnd with that we do Oh, we are in we'll go ahead with
0:1919 secondsthe council. Okay. Uh we're recognizing any visitors that are here that would like [clears throat] Thank you for being here. Do we have any public comments?
0:3131 secondsNo public comments. Uh the approval of the minutes.
0:3535 secondsUm mayor, um on the minutes
0:4444 seconds[snorts]
0:4747 secondsfrom the last um meeting, we'll have questions.
0:5858 secondsMayor and council, I move that we uh approve the regular session from June 15, 2026. I second.
1:061 minute, 6 secondsOkay. Are there any question?
1:081 minute, 8 secondsYes, ma'am. Um on the last minutes that uh the last meeting that we had, um I'm
1:141 minute, 14 secondsasking that um we review the um last meeting because I believe
1:221 minute, 22 secondsMr. [name] made a motion to um
1:431 minute, 43 secondscall a question.
1:471 minute, 47 secondsAnd um as I rec I recall and and just looking back at the my review of my review there was no second and I believe
1:551 minute, 55 secondson when you call up on the question there must be a second. So I would ask you to review that. Um it's stating that
2:042 minutes, 4 secondsum that uh Mr. [name] made the motion. U he second it but uh we just need to review that and see if it's a second.
2:192 minutes, 19 seconds[clears throat]
2:202 minutes, 20 secondsI just appreciate if you have any questions like that to bring it to our attention ahead of time that we sent it out quite early in advance so we can
2:272 minutes, 27 secondsmake corrections or be prepared to bring additional information back to council. If we prepared the minutes
2:362 minutes, 36 secondswrong, we can address that. Um, at this point, you're talking about something that we don't have time to to go and look back. I mean, it's up to council
2:442 minutes, 44 secondsright now to decide if if Mr. [name] knows that he made a second to the Well, we have the video. We have the uh recording.
2:532 minutes, 53 secondsWe don't have the time to review it now.
2:552 minutes, 55 secondsWe can review it and you can bring it back to us at a later date. But that will be a council decision.
2:592 minutes, 59 secondsOkay. If you'd like me to call you at 1:00 a.m. in the morning, that's fine.
3:023 minutes, 2 secondsI would do that. So, but but uh but that's but that means that if that's the case that Well, we'll look at the correction at a late day because you can
3:113 minutes, 11 secondsmake a correction at any time. Is that right? Yes, ma'am. Okay.
3:143 minutes, 14 secondsOkay. So, what do we have on the floor now? Do we have a mo we have a motion and a second
3:223 minutes, 22 secondsand ready for the vote? All in favor? [snorts] Motion carries.
3:323 minutes, 32 secondsAll oppose. Okay. Post. I'm sorry. Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
3:393 minutes, 39 secondsOkay. So, that brings us to the um This is the fiscal year 2027 budget workshop.
3:513 minutes, 51 secondsGood morning, mayor and council, department heads, everyone here. Um, this is the first budget workshop of the year for fiscal year 2027.
4:044 minutes, 4 secondsUm, this process starts during the spring as new rates and new
4:134 minutes, 13 secondsnumbers come forth from from all of our contract services and things that go on.
4:194 minutes, 19 secondsUm, they they usually send us notice um during the over the last few months of different rate increases or changes um
4:284 minutes, 28 secondsto service. Um, so we slowly build that together. insurance numbers, workers
4:354 minutes, 35 secondscomp um numbers and tax rates and uh FICA and taxes for employees and things of that nature.
4:464 minutes, 46 secondsWhat I I have the initial draft uh we finished it up this weekend and I have a
4:534 minutes, 53 secondscopy of it in front of y'all for y'all to add that. Um it's separated by revenues and expenditures. The first
5:005 minutesfour sheets will be the city's revenues and the last 13 sheets I believe are the city's um expenditures broken down by
5:095 minutes, 9 secondsdepartment. And so we have tabs in your binders to separate revenues and expenditures as we move forward. Even
5:175 minutes, 17 secondstoday, if I'll I'll be making notes and changes, research um and as updates are made to that
5:245 minutes, 24 secondsworksheet that's called the basically you have a proposed line item all the way to the closer to the right um before
5:325 minutes, 32 secondsyou get to um your um here. Let me just open it. So I'm talking by looking at
5:395 minutes, 39 secondsit. Um, you have your actuals for 2024, actuals for 2025, what we budgeted last
5:465 minutes, 46 secondsyear. I don't have actual because we're still in the middle of that fiscal year.
5:505 minutes, 50 secondsAnd then we have proposed for [snorts] 2027.
5:545 minutes, 54 secondsWe have a difference [clears throat] to show to show this uh this proposed numbers over current
6:036 minutes, 3 secondsbudgeted numbers. So if there's increases and decreases, you can track those. And then there's a three-year average. Um, and then I have a a note
6:136 minutes, 13 secondssection. So, if you want to jot some notes down in there, you can. And so, as we go through this budget workshop and
6:206 minutes, 20 secondsas well as subsequent weeks and we make updates, I'll prepare the updated versions and
6:286 minutes, 28 secondsyou can swap it out for what you currently have in your budget books.
6:346 minutes, 34 secondsUm
6:376 minutes, 37 seconds[snorts]
6:386 minutes, 38 secondsthere's no there's no one way to do this, one right way to do it. Um, it's just like when you build your budget and
6:456 minutes, 45 secondsyou set your tax rate, uh, by law, you're required, uh, when we get to this in in August, our goal is to
6:536 minutes, 53 secondshave, uh, council's prepared, uh, budget that they're ready to vote on and a
7:017 minutes, 1 secondprepared and be prepared to vote on a tax rate in August. And so, um, they both are will be at the same meeting,
7:097 minutes, 9 secondsbut they come in separate votes. So, our goal is to build a budget that council agrees with to be able to adopt a tax rate that will fund that budget because
7:177 minutes, 17 secondsif you vote for the budget but don't vote for the tax rate, then we don't have a budget, you know.
7:227 minutes, 22 secondsSo, they both go hand in hand. Um um then the same in the same manner I
7:317 minutes, 31 secondshave numbers before you um this morning but we don't have any of these uh
7:407 minutes, 40 secondscapital requests or requests to increase any uh um expenditures.
7:487 minutes, 48 secondsSo, you know, if as we talk about certain items, those numbers are not built into this budget. The the the items that are built into this budget
7:577 minutes, 57 secondsare current um employee costs, current budgeted costs. We do have a few um notes in there. Then I and I made some
8:058 minutes, 5 secondsnotes as we go down. So, if a department um we were able to realize some savings in one item, electricity rates are going
8:138 minutes, 13 secondsdown or uh you know, gasoline costs or or things of that nature. If there's any savings, then you'll see where
8:228 minutes, 22 secondssome of those were pulled out of those departments to be able to fund other departments. And then in sometimes it was moved within that department. Uh for
8:308 minutes, 30 secondsinstance, like street department. Um and I'll explain that in a minute. We move some cost from employee cost and we put that in maintenance repair to streets.
8:408 minutes, 40 secondsSo we increase that line item instead of pulling all of those savings out of that department.
8:458 minutes, 45 secondsSo, [clears throat] we'll go through that. But just for reference sake, the budget that you have in front of you is a draft budget. We still have some
8:538 minutes, 53 secondsoutstanding numbers that are not in yet in both revenues and expenditures. Some that we're still expecting and we're waiting on numbers prop, you know,
9:029 minutes, 2 secondsproposed numbers for this next year. Um, but this is like the information as we have it. Now then we move forward into
9:109 minutes, 10 secondsum what I would like to do at this time is go into our capital requests. These are the capital requests will be either
9:189 minutes, 18 secondsincreases um to um year-over-year [snorts] expenses and normally those are increase those
9:269 minutes, 26 secondsincreases are um labor costs. So if we're talking about any kind of a colo or anything that'll be year-over-year.
9:349 minutes, 34 secondsSo, we'll have to find the money in revenue this year to be able to support it this year, this coming year, and the following years.
9:439 minutes, 43 secondsOne-time expenses, one-time expenses to c like capital requests. Hey, I want to buy one vehicle or I want to buy a new
9:519 minutes, 51 secondspump. That's a one-time expense, not year-over-year. Then we will spend that we will as council approves it, we will
9:579 minutes, 57 secondsspend that at uh cost out of either fund balance or revenues that we do have that we're able to realize. Um you know, hey,
10:0610 minutes, 6 secondswe'll approve that, but we're going to have to reduce this number over here to to pay for it. And it'll be a one-time capital request approval.
10:1410 minutes, 14 secondsUm, so I know that right now as we go into our capital requests, um, as I have it
10:2210 minutes, 22 secondsand you have it in your, um, revenue worksheets, the very first sheet up at the top, I have a running tally, um,
10:3110 minutes, 31 secondson the revenue at the very very top on the right.
10:3610 minutes, 36 secondsAs our draft budget has been put together, the initial draft budget, we have a revenue, we have a surplus basically of 71,000.
10:4410 minutes, 44 secondsThose can be applied towards any of these requests. Um, and we have, you know, utilities is right now is pretty
10:5110 minutes, 51 secondsflat. Um, I don't have a lot of revenues um to approve for any projects as it comes to uh our water and sewer. And
11:0011 minutesthat the water and sewer is the utility utility portion. Um the rest of every every other department falls under general our our general fund.
11:1311 minutes, 13 secondsUm the taxes that are built into this budget is um as of this year uh we've
11:2111 minutes, 21 secondsreceived u estimates from our uh appraisal district.
11:2811 minutes, 28 secondsThe estimates are uh for our our values have increased by about 3 million. So 4
11:3811 minutes, 38 secondsuh 23 uh million valuation to a little over 425
11:4711 minutes, 47 secondsmillion valuation. So, in comparison to years prior, this is probably one of the flatter years when they adopted that
11:5611 minutes, 56 secondsinitial increase in the 2020 era, a lot of those were pushed out over a 5-year increase. So, if they reappraised a
12:0412 minutes, 4 secondshouse or something and, you know, 5 years ago, they weren't all able to be hit they weren't able to hit the books all that same year. So, they spread them
12:1312 minutes, 13 secondsover they had to they were required to spread them over five years. a lot of those reassessments have played out now and now we're back stabilized.
12:2212 minutes, 22 secondsUm we [clears throat] don't have a lot of revenue uh coming from, you know, new new property values. Um so that that
12:3112 minutes, 31 secondsthat $77,000 difference that you see there, that's what's allowed by the state and that's the voter approval rate. So this is based on a voter
12:3912 minutes, 39 seconds[snorts] approval rate. Anything over this triggers um the opportunity for the public to put a petition together to
12:4812 minutes, 48 secondspush it back to the voter approval rate to bring it back down.
12:5312 minutes, 53 secondsUm and anything less than that is less than the voter approval rate. Um and this is based on estimates. So as the
13:0013 minutescertified values come in, we will have the the the exact certified values built into that
13:0913 minutes, 9 secondsat this time. Depending on how council wishes to proceed, we're going to be a little flexible if council wants to talk about an item and and and things we can
13:1813 minutes, 18 secondsstop at any point during [snorts] this, but this is usually the best time where we talk about our capital requests. Um the needs for departments
13:2713 minutes, 27 secondsover and above this current year's uh budgeted um you know, revenues and expenditures that we have.
13:3713 minutes, 37 secondsIs that okay with y'all? Sure. Yes. Okay.
13:4713 minutes, 47 secondsYou mind turning the air conditioner down?
13:5213 minutes, 52 secondsOne of you. Are y'all a little Is it feels a little warm? Or maybe it's just me.
14:0314 minutes, 3 secondsWe need some mini.
14:0514 minutes, 5 secondsNo, I can't see anything. It could be though just what we're doing.
14:1214 minutes, 12 secondsOkay, so I do apologize. This TV is not coming.
14:1614 minutes, 16 secondsUh when we turned it on this morning, it has lines all the way through it. Like the LEDs went out on us.
14:2314 minutes, 23 secondsI don't know. Yeah, maybe. I don't know.
14:2814 minutes, 28 secondsUm, so here's here's the needs um for our
14:3514 minutes, 35 secondspublic works our public works department or how do y'all uh [name] or y'all want to who who wants to go first? I don't
14:4414 minutes, 44 secondsmind do y'all want to do that or volunte
14:5714 minutes, 57 secondsThat's a good idea, too. [name] is on on the truck today.
15:0315 minutes, 3 seconds[laughter]
15:0615 minutes, 6 secondsMy capital request is for $20,000 to purchase a new hose. This hose that I need to replace, I'm trying to get ahead
15:1415 minutes, 14 secondsof the game. Every year we get it tested annually and some of it some of the hose we got long pass is still good. So, but
15:2215 minutes, 22 secondsthis last year in the host test, some of the stuff started, you know, passing the hose test. So I like to keep it, you
15:2915 minutes, 29 secondsknow, where we got some reserve on our hose. So when we go
15:3715 minutes, 37 secondsfight a fire, when we get back, we got to wash a day and a half. So that little surplus
15:4415 minutes, 44 secondsto the side so we can put the dry clean back. And the price of the hoses has went up dramatically in the last 10
15:5215 minutes, 52 secondsyears. Just like the 5 in that we we laid from the 5 in to the fire truck.
15:5815 minutes, 58 secondsThose used to be about $800 for 100 foot section. Now they're $1,500 section and
16:0416 minutes, 4 secondswe got 10 section on that way we can keep it rotated out.
16:1416 minutes, 14 secondsSo my request is for $20. We purchased 10 sections of 50 foot
16:2216 minutes, 22 secondssections of 10 section two and a half and then five section 5 in.
16:4116 minutes, 41 secondsAnd how many hoses did you say are you currently have?
16:4416 minutes, 44 secondsRight now we we got a all the trucks got keep a little surplus to the side. So when we go fire we got to come back
16:5216 minutes, 52 secondsclean all the dry air dry.
16:5716 minutes, 57 secondsSo over the last couple years our hosting we'll have section two.
17:0517 minutes, 5 secondsSo I'm just trying to keep that surplus
17:0917 minutes, 9 seconds[clears throat]
17:1017 minutes, 10 secondsclean.
17:1317 minutes, 13 secondsSo you you say I'm just I'm just asking because I'm just from for my knowledge or for knowledge. Um so how many what's the surplus? What what you have surplus?
17:2317 minutes, 23 secondsYou have some now.
17:2517 minutes, 25 secondsWe have some now but that host our host coming up in August and we're seeing some of those die out also.
17:3317 minutes, 33 secondsOkay.
17:3417 minutes, 34 secondsSo we're going to probably be short probably at least four or five sections of different sizes. So that's why I'm just trying to get ahead of the game.
17:4317 minutes, 43 secondsreally got to have it now
17:5117 minutes, 51 secondsthat um a lot of money you put a fire
17:5917 minutes, 59 secondsright only thing uh I mean I don't I don't have a problem with it or anything like that but only thing I'm just asking
18:0718 minutes, 7 secondsbecause I've been looking at all of the budgets from all of the departments And uh what I'm what I'm not seeing uh and
18:1518 minutes, 15 secondsthis doesn't just say you know on your for you but what I'm not seeing I'm not seeing um
18:2418 minutes, 24 secondsum the u inventory. I don't see your expenses of
18:3118 minutes, 31 secondsitemized expenses of what you're actually spending the money on. So, but I'm at the point to where if you have
18:3818 minutes, 38 secondsthis in your budget in your budget, I I don't have an issue with it, but I'm asking that um if y'all would supply the
18:4718 minutes, 47 secondsdepartments would supply me with, you know, your spending because that way I could go back and and see what your
18:5518 minutes, 55 secondsactual need is for your department. So, what you're spending your budgeted money on, um receipts, things such as that.
19:0419 minutes, 4 secondsThat's in our new system. Okay.
19:0819 minutes, 8 secondsIt's it's we've handed it to you. It's and it's in front of you now. We also have a budget with the line items. The
19:1519 minutes, 15 secondsproblem is we buy something, right?
19:2419 minutes, 24 secondsYou never know. We keep everything in tip top shape, but you never know when something's going to break or anything like that.
19:3219 minutes, 32 secondsThis is where the biggest thing is I We need to catch back up before we get way behind.
19:3719 minutes, 37 secondsYes, sir. I I mean I you get when you buy a little more bulk discount and if I say buy one section
19:4419 minutes, 44 secondshere, I buy one section there, then the freight sh like this, we should be good for next I
19:5219 minutes, 52 secondsthink the last time we actually made a big purchase of about 8 to 10 years ago.
19:5619 minutes, 56 secondsYeah. Okay. I'm just I'm just saying that I don't see uh just looking over all of the departments, I'm not seeing
20:0420 minutes, 4 secondswhere we're having where we're getting itemized list of things that you're you're spending, you know, your monies
20:1120 minutes, 11 secondson so we can see. So I I'll give it with [name] on that so we can see on that system. Yes, sir.
20:1920 minutes, 19 secondsYes, sir. But I was just making you aware and making [name] aware why you're here.
20:2420 minutes, 24 secondsSo, Chief, we um we have we have hoses right now on each truck to keep them in service. Correct.
20:3420 minutes, 34 secondsOne truck must wait a couple days for that to dry. Yeah. Yeah.
20:4020 minutes, 40 secondsUnderstand that. Okay.
20:4620 minutes, 46 secondsSo, so um count even counting our our newest truck, we have it in service as far as service.
20:5520 minutes, 55 secondsUh stuff. Okay.
20:5920 minutes, 59 secondsWe have enough of those right now. We're running good.
21:0321 minutes, 3 secondsThat's what
21:1121 minutes, 11 secondsYes. So, so that's what I that's that's what I was thinking um
21:1921 minutes, 19 secondslike moving forward for each you know for each truck to have that hose to you
21:2421 minutes, 24 secondsknow be be backup be supply cuz and you know I know no just going out on a fire or anything or having you know the
21:3321 minutes, 33 secondspublic run over the hose grass fires the the hose is getting burnt out or anything or us ourselves running over
21:4021 minutes, 40 secondsthe hose. So, um, yeah, I do understand the need.
21:4521 minutes, 45 secondsAnd normally, you know, somebody Yeah.
21:5021 minutes, 50 secondsfor that judge, you know, that's $1,500, I think,
22:0222 minutes, 2 secondsand you said, um, the the hose that were coming up for inspection, do you know the date exactly?
22:1022 minutes, 10 secondsaround August, September usually sets up. Yeah.
22:1822 minutes, 18 secondsJust let us know. Okay.
22:2722 minutes, 27 secondsGreat. Great.
22:3522 minutes, 35 secondsYeah. I, as a matter of fact, I mean, I'm I'm at the point to where if if y'all have it in your y'all's budget, uh, at this time, it's not in our budget, right?
22:4522 minutes, 45 secondsAll the capital requests that we're asking for today, y'all have. So, like a couple weeks ago when I gave you the
22:5222 minutes, 52 secondsactivity reports, that shows what we've spent to date, each each month, each department, it shows a breakdown of all
22:5922 minutes, 59 secondsexpenditures in that report we give. The one that I gave you today shows in y'all's revenues and expenditures. It
23:0723 minutes, 7 secondsshows his department and there's no line item for purchasing hose. So, if y'all were to approve it, then we would add it to his budget. That's why we're asking
23:1523 minutes, 15 secondshim for it today in a in the form of a capital request because it's not in the budget. We don't have money for like five hoses and we're asking for 20.
23:2423 minutes, 24 secondsThere's there's not really money in the budget for purchasing new hose cuz that's hose will last 5 to 10 years. So
23:3123 minutes, 31 secondsit's not so it's not money in the in [clears throat] the in his budget. I mean the money in the city budget overall. I mean what I'm saying is that
23:3923 minutes, 39 secondswhatever you budgeted for if you have the funds in that in that budget if we had the extra 20,000 in there I would even be here.
23:4723 minutes, 47 secondsOkay. Okay.
23:4823 minutes, 48 secondsWe're running such a tight budget. Yes sir.
23:5023 minutes, 50 secondsThere's no room for I understand that to really allow Yes, sir. Well, that's where I'm at is that if if you you know if you had it in
23:5823 minutes, 58 secondsyour budget to actually purchase right now you're asking.
24:0124 minutes, 1 secondYeah. Yeah. And right now I don't I I mean I'm just looking and reviewing everything that I see. I I really don't see um That's right.
24:1024 minutes, 10 secondsthe monies in the budget right now there. I mean city budget. So that's that's where I'm I'm at. I'm okay
24:1824 minutes, 18 secondswith it. But uh if we have the monies to actually purchase that out of the city budget, I can see that moving forward.
24:2624 minutes, 26 secondsSo, Chief, how many fires can you go to before you get caught in a band or get in a bind?
24:3124 minutes, 31 secondsIf we get two structure fires, which we have, I'm be pretty limited on those
24:3924 minutes, 39 secondsshort hose because like when we go fight a fire, there's two there's two lines that got to be dropped. That's that's
24:4624 minutes, 46 seconds400 ft of hose that we drop automatically. We got to firefight on you have a hose. So 400T just on a basic
24:5624 minutes, 56 secondshouse fire about anywhere from the six section 5 on the ground to the truck. And just like
25:0625 minutes, 6 secondsthat big fire, we have all our truck that we get back.
25:1425 minutes, 14 secondsWe got Got to clean all. Yes, sir.
25:2325 minutes, 23 secondsPretty much stretch. It's time to get some surplus.
25:2725 minutes, 27 secondsI say surplus. It's not like you being rotated. It's rotated off.
25:3125 minutes, 31 secondsNo, no, I'm tracking. So, you get a couple structure fires, you could be in a bond or you get one like you had out there on the South Loop. You're in the same bond. So, let me ask you a
25:3925 minutes, 39 secondsquestion. You know, I understand where where they're, you know, the budget's tight. I mean, we're we're trying to pinch and I understand having a surplus,
25:4625 minutes, 46 secondsbut I mean, my thing is is I mean, fires happen very quick. I applaud y'all. That's not something I'm not going to be a fireman.
25:5625 minutes, 56 secondsThank you for doing what you do. But, I mean, you know, we got to have we got to have hoses. You got to have water to put on
26:0326 minutes, 3 secondsthe fire. So, my question would be is if and I understand this is for a so surplus and and you know, 20,000 is a lot of money. If we if we if we cut them
26:1226 minutes, 12 secondsto five and five and then three on your five inch, would that keep you where you're at? Oh, yeah, for sure.
26:2126 minutes, 21 secondsWe need to be moving forward, not backward. So, any like I said, I just put a I know that would put us in a good way. Half of that would be great.
26:3126 minutes, 31 secondsWith that with that being said, chief, um is there um like a out of the supply and attack? Um is there one of those that you're more detrimental to?
26:4226 minutes, 42 secondsUh probably we could probably get away with not but we definitely need Okay.
26:5426 minutes, 54 secondsmore more so on the tin. Okay.
27:0027 minutesSo, you can you come back with us and estimate Yeah, we can cut that in half
27:0827 minutes, 8 secondsand the 5 in is the biggest we're good right now in
27:1727 minutes, 17 secondsof course. [clears throat] So, Chief, are any of your hoses defective?
27:2127 minutes, 21 secondsdetected we get rid of anything safety
27:2927 minutes, 29 secondscome in the city [snorts] if the firefighter get injured or killed.
27:3627 minutes, 36 secondsSo as soon as we take it out,
27:4527 minutes, 45 secondsso if we got you 52 and a half and 51 and 3/4, what what what how much money are we looking at? Do you know off top of your head?
27:5627 minutes, 56 seconds8,900. 89. 8 to nine. Yes, sir.
28:0428 minutes, 4 secondsYou say five. What you say, Mr. D? Um, five for under number one, five foot, the inch and three/4ers.
28:1028 minutes, 10 secondsFive of those and five of the two and and a half because I've seen enough movies I'm I'm sure uh them firemen want that water that them
28:1928 minutes, 19 secondshoses to be on top of them when they're inside those structure fires. Yeah, absolutely.
28:2928 minutes, 29 secondsAnd you say what's what would be the cost? approximately.
28:3828 minutes, 38 secondsSo you're I mean the conclusion is that basically that you could do what you needed to do if you had the two I mean
28:4728 minutes, 47 secondsfive of those two put us in good shape after that next
29:0129 minutes, 1 secondAnd that's how we get it to last 10 years.
29:0629 minutes, 6 secondsAnd then it's always better to get on a rotation schedule than try to replace everything at the same time. So right now we're projecting about 9 9,000 8 to 9.
29:1629 minutes, 16 secondsSo you can bring So but you can get us the exact cost. Yeah.
29:2329 minutes, 23 seconds[snorts]
29:2929 minutes, 29 secondsOkay. Any more? Thank you so much. Thank you, Chief.
29:4629 minutes, 46 secondsAll right. I guess we'll uh [name], you you said you want to go. Um
29:5229 minutes, 52 secondslet's see here. So, under public works, I'll I'll present.
29:5829 minutes, 58 seconds[name]'s also here. If y'all have questions, um I don't I have the the capital outlay in front of you. Um and I'll probably need to call on them
30:0730 minutes, 7 secondsduring this process cuz that where you have to know the street.
30:1130 minutes, 11 secondsYes, ma'am. I'm under streets
30:1430 minutes, 14 seconds[clears throat]
30:1530 minutes, 15 secondsand so the cost of trucks have continually gone up as the new new trucks have gone up.
30:2330 minutes, 23 secondsWe have seen some better used to be that used trucks were almost exp as the same price as new trucks but in the last few
30:3130 minutes, 31 secondsyears the used market has improved and we haven't done it in quite a while but you know I would I would recommend it
30:3930 minutes, 39 secondsbut potentially as we replace uh vehicles buying new new trucks just I don't feel like it's affordable the
30:4730 minutes, 47 secondswarrant by the time the warranty is out you know that normally you would buy it because of the warranty and the additional benefits but paying double
30:5530 minutes, 55 secondswhat a used truck costs. Even these single bed or single cab uh half ton trucks, they're over $50,000
31:0331 minutes, 3 secondsfor the just a a plain work truck. And so, uh, we were looking at a couple of our
31:1031 minutes, 10 secondstrucks, um, and I have it. If you go to the street, um, street department, if you go there, one
31:1931 minutes, 19 secondsof our trucks that I'd like to replace, it had it's a 2002 with 201,000 miles,
31:2831 minutes, 28 secondsand I'd like to replace that with a uh a crew cab truck. Um there's currently a truck in the streets department that
31:3531 minutes, 35 secondswould would continue uh being able to service the parks department. Uh the street department really needs a four a
31:4231 minutes, 42 secondsfour-door crew cab um to where we're not taking multiple trucks to the job site.
31:4831 minutes, 48 secondsWe could get we could do better. U we do have an extended cab right now that we're running four and five guys deep inside inside one of the extended cabs.
31:5731 minutes, 57 secondsAnd so it's pretty tight. you know, we all have full grown men trying to fit in that extended cab. So, so
32:0532 minutes, 5 secondswe looked at the we, you know, we looked at the market and there's definitely some good vehicles out there in the 30 $35,000 range. We could reach out to Cut
32:1432 minutes, 14 secondsShaw and several people and ask them as good tradeins come in for trucks that are just, you know, two or three, four
32:2032 minutes, 20 secondsyears old with low mileage. I would think that that would do, you know, do really well.
32:2732 minutes, 27 secondsSo, M. So, at this point, it looks like that we're purchasing the truck just to get back and forth to the job site.
32:3632 minutes, 36 secondsYes. To work with uh put to pull equipment, pull trailers and to move our men because
32:4432 minutes, 44 secondsthey I mean, we can't do jobs without getting our men to the job site.
32:4832 minutes, 48 secondsWell, so how many vehicles do we already have currently amongst all of we have vehicles across all departments, but this vehicle here
32:5632 minutes, 56 secondsthat's currently being used um it's it's not running. We're putting a lot of maintenance and repair and expenses in it.
33:0733 minutes, 7 secondsSo like that one.
33:0933 minutes, 9 secondsNo, I just even in terms of transportation when you send one half there and then you bring the other half there and get the job You have a lot of
33:1833 minutes, 18 secondsdowntime. I think if just from playing and just being on site, if you can get everybody there, you'll cut out a lot of down time because some of the time you
33:2633 minutes, 26 secondsdrive by, you say, "What you doing?" They waiting for the rest of them, waiting for the other equipment. But you you almost need somebody to move so that
33:3333 minutes, 33 secondsyou can get an instruction at one time and follow through.
33:3633 minutes, 36 secondsSo, and I just know that, you know, if you making multiple trips just to get people in, he probably Oh, yeah.
33:4433 minutes, 44 secondsYes, ma'am. I just have to say one of the vehicles that we're talking about uh shipping to another department is really
33:5133 minutes, 51 secondsnot equipped for what we do for it's a half ton with a V6 engine and we as that
34:0034 minutestruck
34:1334 minutes, 13 secondsthat's why that truck sufficiently enough. Yeah.
34:1634 minutes, 16 secondsSo [clears throat] along with that and if anybody have seen my street group lately, they all full grown men and it's
34:2434 minutes, 24 secondshard. Well, I can't get people in the back seat because they can't fit in the back seat.
34:3134 minutes, 31 secondsSo therefore, we have to take two bills to the job site. Sometimes one
34:3934 minutes, 39 secondsthat the too light will be heavy enough that we can use it for other things like pull
34:4734 minutes, 47 secondsour little asphalt trailer have all our signs on it. So it's it's going to be a truck that's going to be equipped to do the job and it's going to
34:5634 minutes, 56 secondscut one out of service that we want to use as much. It's not that's really not equipped to do the job.
35:0335 minutes, 3 secondsYeah. With with that [clears throat] with that with that being said, but that's what um my question is so your so
35:1235 minutes, 12 secondsfar as your inventory on vehicles, what is your so I don't have any of two vehicles. Two two trucks. Two vehicles.
35:1935 minutes, 19 secondsOkay. And none of them can I have one single cap and then I got a extended cap.
35:2535 minutes, 25 secondsOkay. Okay. And that none of them can actually hold the trailers or anything like that where it's not going to stand up to that much longer.
35:3635 minutes, 36 secondsYeah.
35:3735 minutes, 37 secondsSo, moving forward, we need we need we need to focus on work works. Crew cabs. I'm sorry. Crew cabs.
35:4535 minutes, 45 secondsMy guys wants one truck.
35:5035 minutes, 50 secondsBut if it wants two trucks to get there, of course, we're going to use two trucks. But in most cases, we can get out there in one truck. Now, we can't we have to carry two trucks.
36:0136 minutes, 1 secondSo, I'm just I'm just trying to weigh this because I don't want to do a screen trip cuz I'm trying. So, far as getting from point A to point B from and taking your crew to the job site.
36:1336 minutes, 13 secondsSo, is it necessary? Is it definitely necessary that you need a crew cab truck
36:2036 minutes, 20 secondsthat you're asking for to get cuz you how many employees you have? Four employees. Four employees.
36:2636 minutes, 26 secondsEverybody in that crew just about 240 days.
36:2936 minutes, 29 secondsSo, but is there a problem with taking two trucks instead of one? How far is your What I'm asking is where do we have
36:3736 minutes, 37 secondsfar as job sites? We our distance or locations for our job sites is right here in the city. So, we don't have a
36:4536 minutes, 45 secondslot of distance to go to where we can't bring two trucks versus crew versus crew and uh utilities
36:5436 minutes, 54 secondsas well. Um we're looking at we're looking at um the uh transportation of that as well. So, you're looking at trailers. What is the longest trailer that we have?
37:0437 minutes, 4 secondsThe longest? Yes, sir.
37:0637 minutes, 6 secondsRight now, we have a 20 foot low trailer that we have to pull. Sometimes we have to put a piece of equipment on it. Yes, sir.
37:1337 minutes, 13 secondsor the new steel wheel. Yes, sir. Something of that nature.
37:1737 minutes, 17 secondsNext next question is what is the tonnage or weight that we're usually carrying on on equipment?
37:2537 minutes, 25 secondsAny equipment? I cannot use the board. Understand?
37:2837 minutes, 28 secondsAny equip any kind of equipment is too much. Yes, sir.
37:3437 minutes, 34 secondsWith the pool pot, the little small pot that we use. Yes, sir. Straighten up pretty good.
37:3937 minutes, 39 secondsYes, sir. So, this is kind of it's kind of like I was saying before, you can make two trips, but you lose time.
37:4637 minutes, 46 secondsYou lose time because when you do it, you're losing hourly weight. So, you're not only affecting what you're doing with the job, you're talking, they going to shoot
37:5537 minutes, 55 secondsthe breeze to the other one come and then and then you really can't get together till you tell the crew how to move smoothly. But if you if you leave
38:0438 minutes, 4 secondsand everybody comes [clears throat] at the same time they get off they're given their designated job. You're cutting hours out of works force. I mean just
38:1438 minutes, 14 secondseverything still right here. If you make two trips you don't get lost.
38:1838 minutes, 18 secondsYou're not going to do anything to everybody. So go ahead.
38:2338 minutes, 23 secondsIf you if you if you can't pull the heavy stuff with the trailer, how are you getting it there now?
38:2938 minutes, 29 secondsThen either we'll borrow something from another department or we do have a 3/4 ton seal cap pick up sometime we have to
38:3838 minutes, 38 secondsuse to do that but according to sometime the way scheduling happens I may have one person doing or two people doing
38:4638 minutes, 46 secondssomething on the other side and the other two on the opposite side and before we finish that job we've got another call then they have to regroup
38:5438 minutes, 54 secondsagain and then just so you're You're I mean you're having I mean you're having to put another department out of their truck while you're using it to do whatever you need every now and then.
39:0439 minutes, 4 secondsAnd so a 3/4 ton truck I mean it would get your crew there. I mean if you got a Ford a superduty there's nothing that
39:1239 minutes, 12 secondsyou're not going to be able to haul. Are we ask are you I mean are you wanting a gas or diesel? I diesel.
39:1939 minutes, 19 secondsPrefer diesel but at this point I'm taking you take whatever. Okay. I'm just Hey, this is Santa Claus wish list. Tell me what you want. You know what I'm saying?
39:2739 minutes, 27 secondsIt would be it would be a diesel truck. Okay.
39:2939 minutes, 29 secondsThat way all the fleet would be one one type of of And I'm guessing
39:3639 minutes, 36 secondsAnd I'm guessing you use these to I mean not only streets but like you haul mowers and stuff too. Is that is that part of the same group?
39:4239 minutes, 42 secondsWe haul more sometimes sometime we have to haul equipment to different shops and and that when that happens we'll use
39:5039 minutes, 50 secondsthat trailer and load it up and haul it to where we need to haul it instead of having and then cost more money.
39:5939 minutes, 59 secondsYeah.
40:0140 minutes, 1 secondAnd so what are you hauling your goose neck?
40:0340 minutes, 3 secondsWhat are you hauling your uh your goose neck trailer? What are you pulling your goose? But it's in the water. Mhm.
40:1040 minutes, 10 secondsThat's what they that's what they haul their their equipment every day. Okay.
40:1440 minutes, 14 secondsBut if we get a haul equipment to the shop somewhere, then we'll we'll make [clears throat] a
40:2240 minutes, 22 secondscourse and then we'll do a flip where we can something else.
40:3040 minutes, 30 secondsSo, how many trucks do you have? I have two.
40:3440 minutes, 34 secondsAnd thank you for claring that clarifying that for me because that was going to be my next question about the the gooseeneck trailer cuz I figured like on that truck I figured Yeah.
40:4240 minutes, 42 secondsYou're not going to have a gooseeneck on that and you're going to be bumper pulling everything and that's transmission tear right there.
40:4940 minutes, 49 secondsThis is the one that we would be replacing. Yeah. Yeah.
40:5240 minutes, 52 secondsSo, well, not just that though. We have two trucks and the one you're driving.
40:5840 minutes, 58 secondsSo, could we not put a gooseeneck hitch in the back of the truck that you're driving? Is it a V6 as well? Already for. All right.
41:0541 minutes, 5 secondsSo, we already have We have We're not asking for anything. So, we already have an item.
41:0941 minutes, 9 secondsWe're not We're not asking for gooseneck trucks or or heavy duty trucks. We're asking for pre cab to replace this little half ton.
41:1641 minutes, 16 secondsWe have We have And that's just to get you from point A to point B and the whole crew to go together. and you only have four people
41:2341 minutes, 23 secondsin the group and you can't take two vehicles just in case one have to leave and go to another point.
41:3041 minutes, 30 secondsPlease understand, we're okay. We can bring four or five vehicles. That's not the question.
41:3541 minutes, 35 secondsThe question is, we have a 2002 truck with 201,000 miles that we're trying to get out of our fleet that's
41:4441 minutes, 44 secondscontinually broken down and it does not run and we really That's one in the parks department. By buying this in the
41:5141 minutes, 51 secondsstreets department, we can bring one of those older trucks that we currently use in the streets department, give it to our parks department so they have a
41:5841 minutes, 58 secondsrunning vehicle. We're not asking in best case scenario, we would ask for a brand new truck for the parks department. We buy a brand new truck for
42:0542 minutes, 5 secondsthem to pick up trash cans and and empty stuff and haul their mowers around. But we're trying to find the best. We're
42:1242 minutes, 12 secondsbuying a used truck for the streets department so we can give one of their old used trucks to the parks department so we can continue running. And so we're
42:2142 minutes, 21 secondsnot asking for 3/4 tons or diesels or gooseenecks and because we do have those equipment, you know, the trucks.
42:2842 minutes, 28 secondsWe would like probably one more, but we're doing with what we have that we're asking for. So, how many vehicles does the parks department have?
42:3642 minutes, 36 secondsTwo.
42:3942 minutes, 39 secondsSo, they have two. So, we're going to give [clears throat] going to give them one of theirs.
42:4442 minutes, 44 secondsSo, we can So, we can get rid of this one. 200,000. Yes, ma'am.
42:4942 minutes, 49 secondsSo, we have two guys with two trucks and they work both the they work two parks, two separate parks and they work the downtown square.
42:5942 minutes, 59 secondstwo guys with their vehicles picking up trash, emptying trash cans around the whole square, sweeping, blowing,
43:0743 minutes, 7 secondspicking up broken limbs, doing all the things that they do. They have two guys with two trucks. One of them is driving a 2002 with 200,000 mi
43:1443 minutes, 14 secondsplus. And that's what we're trying to get rid of.
43:1743 minutes, 17 secondsAnd that's the one that's had all the time.
43:2243 minutes, 22 secondsIt's continually broken down. we're having to let him team up with somebody else, but we're not using our manpower correctly or giving them another truck
43:3143 minutes, 31 secondswith another company, another department that should be using their own truck, that kind of thing.
43:3643 minutes, 36 secondsUm, in reality, the parts.
43:4643 minutes, 46 secondsYeah. So, you're recycling.
43:4943 minutes, 49 secondsYeah. So, so the parts department only had two trucks as well.
43:5943 minutes, 59 secondsUm, are are y'all good?
44:0344 minutes, 3 secondsThis is this is going to be a pretty lengthy meet um workshop if we're I wanted to present these needs and if there's I I guess we better just
44:1244 minutes, 12 secondsto regroup if there's additional requests or or information like this then I can research those and get them back to council you know.
44:2344 minutes, 23 secondsOkay.
44:2344 minutes, 23 secondsIf you get those responses back to council otherwise we're going to be well past noon because we're Wasn't this going to be more or less like an introductory Yeah.
44:3144 minutes, 31 secondsMeeting introductory and basically some categoriza categorizing from council saying like council just talked about if y'all
44:4044 minutes, 40 secondswant to you know if we can get through the adjustments really quickly like with the fire department.
44:4644 minutes, 46 secondsHey right now let's look at about half of that the hose that you requested.
44:5044 minutes, 50 secondsOkay. That's enough that that decision is to regroup close to being done other than just some last minute numbers. a council based on y'all's decision that 8,000 is 8600.
45:0245 minutes, 2 secondsWe're not solving everything. So that kind of got that decision done.
45:0645 minutes, 6 secondsMoving forward with this some of these questions um like I'm presenting the needs to council right now after we're done.
45:1445 minutes, 14 secondsWhat y'all might consider a number one priority y'all might say, you know what, run that beater for that 200,000 mile truck another year because this one
45:2445 minutes, 24 secondsover, you know, supersedes that need. I'm trying to present the needs to you quickly so we can get through this
45:3145 minutes, 31 secondsmeeting and then the ones the council says look let's look at one of those vehicles that you asked for and let's look this and this then I'll come back with some solid numbers and how it impacts the budget if that's okay.
45:4245 minutes, 42 secondsYeah.
45:4345 minutes, 43 secondsSounds like a reason I mean that way. So like there you would say y'all need a four that it needs to be replaced.
45:5245 minutes, 52 secondsAnd then then now we that's the that's the goal is to recycle that truck, get the oldest truck out of the system. Um as we come
46:0046 minutesback, I'm not asking for a yes or no answer necessarily right now. If that's okay. That's fine.
46:0646 minutes, 6 secondsOkay, that's I think that's what I was that we trying to make it solid now.
46:1246 minutes, 12 secondsNo, that's we're not find filling out all the details. So, um, the next truck, the oldest truck that we have in the in the in the fleet,
46:2146 minutes, 21 secondsum, is another 2002 Ford and it has 253,000 mi. This is the mechanic shops truck.
46:2946 minutes, 29 secondsUm, different and it's it luckily it's in the mechanic shop, so they're continue, but we're putting money in it,000 and
46:3746 minutes, 37 secondsum, that truck has really outspent its useful, right? I would think so.
46:4046 minutes, 40 secondsWe have some transmission problems. We have problems with that truck. What I would like to do is purchase another um
46:4746 minutes, 47 secondsused truck, a single cab long bed truck for them that we can put one of the Tommy gates on and we can use that for
46:5646 minutes, 56 secondsthe mechanic's truck. And so in the neighborhood of 30 $35,000, I did request for $35,000.
47:0347 minutes, 3 secondsThese right here would not be needs that we would go out and purchase immediately. I would put plugs in with local dealerships as they get really
47:1047 minutes, 10 secondsgood tradeins and we can really get a good price. then we'll be ready to move on it then. Um
47:1747 minutes, 17 secondsthat's [snorts] so that's the truck for the uh mechanic shop.
47:2247 minutes, 22 secondsThe next um well on these two inside right now I mean just right now me speaking
47:3047 minutes, 30 seconds[clears throat]
47:3147 minutes, 31 secondsI'm not uh just looking at the budget like I was needing a u in u itemized
47:3947 minutes, 39 seconds[snorts]
47:4047 minutes, 40 secondsuh expense for each department. I like that. You have that?
47:4447 minutes, 44 secondsNo, I gave you an activity report.
47:4547 minutes, 45 secondsNo, it's No, it's all in in all all in one. No, that's per department.
47:5047 minutes, 50 secondsYeah, it's per department, but it does not give me an itemized expense report for what that department is spending. Yes, it does.
47:5847 minutes, 58 secondsNor does it give me [snorts] what they're spending it on. Yes, sir. It does.
48:0348 minutes, 3 secondsSo, the mechanic shop has how many trucks? One truck.
48:1148 minutes, 11 secondsOkay.
48:1348 minutes, 13 secondsUm, next is a padoot steel roller for the street department. One of uh the two
48:2048 minutes, 20 secondsthe the next two items are probably the two biggest items that we run into the need for that we don't have here. I'll talked about this.
48:3148 minutes, 31 secondsUm, so this is a what a pad foot roller looks like. Um on the screen we have a smooth
48:4048 minutes, 40 secondsdrum roller that is just like this but it does not compact the road base like a pad foot roller for proper road
48:4748 minutes, 47 secondsconstruction. We continue coming back to we really need this. This last few streets that we've done in road in road
48:5448 minutes, 54 secondsreconstruction. We've rented one of these units and um those run about $3,000 a year. I mean a a year a month.
49:0549 minutes, 5 secondsIt was a 30. Was it 3500? I think 3 to 3500 depending on United or CAD or whoever we rent it from.
49:1449 minutes, 14 secondsUm at 3500 per month per year. What is that?
49:1949 minutes, 19 secondsNo, per month. Per month. Um I would like to see if we could find um
49:2649 minutes, 26 secondsa good pad foot roller, a good used pad foot roller. The other one that we have is a 2016 model um smooth drum roller.
49:3549 minutes, 35 secondsbeen a really good piece of equipment.
49:3749 minutes, 37 secondsWe would like to find one that as CAT CAD or United rotates out their rental fleet that we we buy up a good rental
49:4549 minutes, 45 secondsfrom them because they've been serviced pretty well. Um, this one here, I think the the cost benefit
49:5549 minutes, 55 secondsfor this one here is less than the cost benefit for the next page, which is a rope broom. We really need a rope broom.
50:0350 minutes, 3 secondsUm, that one's $2,500 a month that we've we've now had to rent one for going on
50:1050 minutes, 10 secondsfour months. That's about $10,000 for a a road.
50:1550 minutes, 15 secondsAnd so for street construction for us to be able to after we do our our reconstruction, we go in there and we have to broom it off between layers of
50:2450 minutes, 24 secondsas of the oil t coat, you know, and the chip rock and then sweep the the loose rock off before we put the other. We
50:3250 minutes, 32 secondshave to get a way to clean these streets up as we're doing the road construction.
50:3650 minutes, 36 secondsThis one here um will really rack up a um a cost benefit that can be
50:4450 minutes, 44 secondsjustified to go out and find a good used one. So, we're not renting this uh these uh a street room.
50:5050 minutes, 50 secondsA used one's $40,000 I found. So, for one of this size of like the one we're renting is right at 40,000. They're about 80,000 new.
51:0051 minutesUm for they have some smaller ones and some were and as we get older with more hours on them they get a little bit cheaper.
51:1051 minutes, 10 secondsSo it kind of depends on what kind of risk you want to take on. You know we have good mechanics but we don't want to
51:1651 minutes, 16 secondsbuy one that has six you know to 10,000 hours on because a lot of the rentals will be at their end of their life when
51:2451 minutes, 24 secondswe buy them. So 30 to $40,000 we can find a pretty decent unit. So, how many months at the year are we renting these
51:3351 minutes, 33 secondsthis year? I can rent it physically. I can rent every month because the way I work and need it. Yeah.
51:3951 minutes, 39 secondsAnd need it. Because you can do much more than just sweeping, cleaning the street, getting
51:4651 minutes, 46 secondsready for for road work. If you get, let's say, you get somebody that loses a load of glass or whatever.
51:5451 minutes, 54 secondsIf you had a group that you We were dealing with one in um
52:0252 minutes, 2 secondsone side of the road and then get a whole lot quicker. So it has utilization.
52:0752 minutes, 7 secondsI guess what I'm really asking is that I'm really asking is are we paying $2,000 for rentals every month? Yes.
52:1652 minutes, 16 secondsWhich is sometimes about at least during road construction months. I would say easily eight months out of the year is a good estimate of
52:2552 minutes, 25 secondswhat we as we're doing road construction. You know, I wouldn't say I say during the winter, early spring, maybe not. We can
52:3352 minutes, 33 secondswe can back off on the rent, but we're probably spending anywhere from 12 to $16,000 a year in in rental uh costs for this for this broom.
52:4452 minutes, 44 secondsOkay. So So we had a history of that of the cost for that. We started we were renting it this year yesterday.
52:5052 minutes, 50 secondsSo So let me ask you a question. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Go ahead.
52:5352 minutes, 53 secondsSo my question is is so the 40,000 that's outright. So if we and I know I know you I'm probably going to open a can of worms, but if we finance it
53:0253 minutes, 2 secondsthrough a company that we buy, it can't be more than $2,000 a month, right?
53:0753 minutes, 7 secondsInstead of paying $40,000 out, right? If that expenditure is already out there and if we can get it for $1,000 a month
53:1453 minutes, 14 secondsas a financed, we we buy and we finance it and we're paying $1,000 a month and we're already paying 2,000 for eight
53:2253 minutes, 22 secondsmonths. I mean, that money's already we've already allocated that, right? I mean, is that an option?
53:2753 minutes, 27 secondsYeah, it is an option um to to lease it or finance most of those the companies that would finance it to you would be um
53:3553 minutes, 35 secondsfor new units. I don't know how, you know, they might do some in-house financing with some higher interest rates, like a good used unit, but it
53:4453 minutes, 44 secondswould might be more than the 30 or $40,000 range for a good unit that they would finance over, say, four or five years.
53:5253 minutes, 52 secondsBut is it an option is my question. It's definitely an option. Yes, sir.
53:5653 minutes, 56 secondsIt's definitely an option. Um, the key the key to to to either either you want us to try to do the best
54:0354 minutes, 3 secondsquality work and in operations or we sell it and then hold us accountable for being done right.
54:1354 minutes, 13 secondsUnderstood.
54:1454 minutes, 14 secondsAnd these are the two pieces of equipment that we have here now are two pieces of equipment that is essential to
54:2154 minutes, 21 secondsus providing a quality street after we put which is probably around $6,200 a load
54:3054 minutes, 30 secondsfor. So if we were to keep trying like in the past we were we were trying to
54:3854 minutes, 38 secondsget it in on the flat wheel because that's all we had. So then it's more labor intense because you have put in
54:4454 minutes, 44 secondslifts like 3 lifts. So if you get out there and mix a street and start at 7 in
54:5154 minutes, 51 secondsthe morning, my guys will be out there 7 when we can take that unit right there in about 2:00.
55:0255 minutes, 2 secondsWow. In most cases they're done.
55:0555 minutes, 5 secondsSo now we have guys something to 72.
55:1355 minutes, 13 secondsSo we'd be saving manpower hours as well as overtime I was.
55:1955 minutes, 19 secondsYeah. I think what we're just asking we're just trying to see how the money's already been spent and how we can spend
55:2755 minutes, 27 secondsit more effectively. In order to do that, we got to know these numbers that you're talking about and we want to see it on paper so we can make an evaluation.
55:3655 minutes, 36 secondsYes, sir.
55:3755 minutes, 37 secondsWell, in the past this year, we we started to rent those because what we were doing was costing us more in
55:4455 minutes, 44 secondsmanpower because we were out there for longer extents and then we was getting a less quality product when we got finished with it.
55:5355 minutes, 53 secondsAnd so in conversation with [name], he asked me, he said, "What do you need?
55:5855 minutes, 58 seconds[clears throat]
55:5855 minutes, 58 secondsI need those to be equivalent for us to put a street for us to to really put a street here and it be like
56:0756 minutes, 7 secondsand I I I want to see quality streets. I want to see um the work put in but um just weighing the option of like Mr.
56:1856 minutes, 18 secondsinsurance and uh financing or leasing or if we actually have the the funds in the city budget to make this this type of a
56:2756 minutes, 27 secondspurchase. So, that's where I'm at with that. Also, um piggybacking on Mr.
56:3256 minutes, 32 secondsassignment is just looking at the um evaluation of of how we've been using on paper, how how we've been using it
56:4056 minutes, 40 secondsfinancially, how we've been um spending uh per use um renting I guess what what
56:5156 minutes, 51 secondswe've been spending on renting equipment like this or would we be better off leasing or like you said f inhouse
56:5956 minutes, 59 secondsfinancing or what would what would we'd be better off doing um opposed to what the city has uh in their in the budget
57:0757 minutes, 7 secondsbecause right now we really don't know what how much what kind of funds we're working with um on the city's behalf. We
57:1657 minutes, 16 secondsdon't know what we're working with. Um what do you what do you need to know what you're working with? I'm not sure.
57:2357 minutes, 23 secondsWe want to see how the money has been spent so far so we can see if we can make any kind of adjustments to it. that be more
57:3157 minutes, 31 secondseffective. So you're that's what we're asking the the the activity reports that you get that shows the year to date like at
57:4057 minutes, 40 secondseach month as that those monies are spent. This one right here the the worksheets that you have in front of you shows the last three years how those
57:4757 minutes, 47 secondsmonies have been spent and then how it's currently budgeted this year against proposed next year. So we have four years right now on paper in front of
57:5657 minutes, 56 secondsyou. These qu these questions that y'all are asking are things that we currently don't have. So, we have not bought
58:0358 minutes, 3 secondsbought a broom and we have not rented one until this year. We had a broom that broke down that council approved just
58:1058 minutes, 10 secondsfor us to scrap, you know, or we we sold it on the auction. Okay. We and so we have no room left. So, this year we started renting one until we can purchase one.
58:1958 minutes, 19 secondsThe padfoot roller, we've never used a padoot roller. We've used a smooth smooth drum roller that we currently have. It's just we're finding that the
58:2858 minutes, 28 secondsroad the construction is not done as well as it needs to be without that pad foot roller. So this year we've actually rented a few months
58:3758 minutes, 37 secondsa padoot roller. Um but like I said the pad foot roller the cost benefit on that one is going to
58:4458 minutes, 44 secondslook more like a five to probably a fiveyear return on that benefit. This one right here two to three years depending on what we spend. And if we
58:5258 minutes, 52 secondsspend $30 to $40,000 within two or three years, we paid paid for it versus renting it. And so the cost benefit is a lot greater on this piece of equipment.
59:0359 minutes, 3 secondsIf you don't, let's if if you purchase it, if you purchase it within three years by renting it, you'll be still renting.
59:1459 minutes, 14 secondsBut if you purchase it and own it after that three years, it's yours.
59:1859 minutes, 18 secondsAnd you've had it for 12 and you have it for 12 months at that point. you got it for longevity wise, you probably got that piece of equipment for the next 10 or 15 years.
59:2859 minutes, 28 secondsAnd I see that and I I rather I rather purchase than [clears throat] than and lease or rent. But the thing we're and and I understand your point, but for
59:3659 minutes, 36 secondsfrom my perspective, we we're only seeing uh uh collaborated numbers. We're not seeing numbers itemized to tell us
59:4659 minutes, 46 secondswhat each department has actually actual figures of what each department has. Um
59:5259 minutes, 52 secondsactual itemized figures of what each department is spending and what they're actually spending it on. So the thing of
1:00:001 hourit is is to in order in order to know the financial aspect of it to get a better understanding of how we could
1:00:081 hour, 8 secondsbetter suit your needs in your department, we got to know how much money you're working with. I'm going say this.
1:00:161 hour, 16 secondsOkay. So that means I'm speak.
1:00:221 hour, 22 secondsSo that means to me that the council is settled on getting less [snorts] quality
1:00:301 hour, 30 secondsSo that means when in this course of this duration if we keep going the way we're going and let's say I have to go
1:00:371 hour, 37 secondsback to using the back wheel and let's say we we put a street in and within 6 months it's going to follow up
1:00:441 hour, 44 secondsthen the council is going to come to me and say what happened to our street I'm trying to get ahead of that and say
1:00:521 hour, 52 secondsthat's what I need in order to get you up the street.
1:00:551 hour, 55 secondsWe've talked about streets on multiple
1:00:581 hour, 58 seconds[clears throat]
1:00:591 hour, 59 secondstime and the long we keep waiting still expecting us to do streets. Mhm.
1:01:061 hour, 1 minute, 6 secondsI mean, we still have jobs. Yes, sir.
1:01:081 hour, 1 minute, 8 secondsBut in the course of doing that job, we going to spend more money because we with this down, we going to spend more money have to come back
1:01:171 hour, 1 minute, 17 secondsto those streets and have to service them at a quicker rotation than what we really need to. And I
1:01:261 hour, 1 minute, 26 secondsYeah, but what we're asking for, we're trying to see how the money's been spent to see if we could do it differently to
1:01:341 hour, 1 minute, 34 secondsget a better outcome. That's what we're really asking.
1:01:371 hour, 1 minute, 37 secondsWe're not saying we don't want this equipment. I mean, we just want to see how the money's been spent.
1:01:411 hour, 1 minute, 41 secondsIn the meantime, why you trying to get that? We're still doing streets.
1:01:451 hour, 1 minute, 45 secondsThat's my point. We're still doing streets.
1:01:481 hour, 1 minute, 48 secondsSo, we're But this is the first time now when it comes to sheep rolling. This is the first year that we have started to met the sheep
1:01:561 hour, 1 minute, 56 secondsfor and I really pressed upon telling us I got to have that in order for us to to do the best we can do
1:02:031 hour, 2 minutes, 3 secondsbecause if not then the same people that sitting around here hold us accountable if I'm going to be held accountable I
1:02:101 hour, 2 minutes, 10 secondsneed the best I need the equipment that I need in order to do that well you know to say that to say that
1:02:191 hour, 2 minutes, 19 secondsum with you getting the best equipment in order for us to get you the best equipment. We got to find the money or
1:02:251 hour, 2 minutes, 25 secondsthe funds to get you there. So once we [name] bring that to us and we look at the financial issue or aspect of your
1:02:331 hour, 2 minutes, 33 secondsdepartment and the monies that we actually have on hand and what we can do for each department, then we can make
1:02:401 hour, 2 minutes, 40 secondssure that you have that equipment that you need that we can actually purchase.
1:02:451 hour, 2 minutes, 45 secondsBut the thing of it is is right now we're going to have to keep continue uh either renting or leasing until we can
1:02:531 hour, 2 minutes, 53 secondsget to that point to where we see where the monies or the funds going to come from in order to [clears throat] make that large of a purchase. Okay. Today
1:03:001 hour, 3 minuteswe're back to where we are where we are today. Is that right? Is that right?
1:03:041 hour, 3 minutes, 4 secondsWe're still I mean the budget I mean you you can look back that's to itemize for the streets.
1:03:091 hour, 3 minutes, 9 secondsSo as I mentioned the [clears throat] council this is I'm not asking for approvals tonight.
1:03:141 hour, 3 minutes, 14 secondsOkay, I'm asking y'all for for y'all to develop a consensus of the needs and weight them in priority. Which ones are we going to try to fund, which ones not?
1:03:231 hour, 3 minutes, 23 secondsYou keep on mentioning um that you don't have the numbers. You have an activity report that has it broken down to the month. I have the budget in front of
1:03:311 hour, 3 minutes, 31 secondsyou. The budget that I You have the Yes. No. It's But it's itemized on page two for the last for the last four years. Yes, ma'am.
1:03:391 hour, 3 minutes, 39 secondsNo, no, no, no. You have it all up. No, no, it's for each department and broken down by what it what it's spent on. Each
1:03:471 hour, 3 minutes, 47 secondsdepartment has this and this is this is these are the numbers that we're going to see what they're spending it on. You we have numbers.
1:03:551 hour, 3 minutes, 55 secondsDo you want a check register? I I'm not We have that. You can look at a check register. All I'm having is what we're spending it on. You're saying you don't
1:04:031 hour, 4 minutes, 3 secondsknow what we're spending on. This is what we're spending it on. on maintenance and repair of trucks, on maintenance and repair of equipment, on
1:04:111 hour, 4 minutes, 11 secondsthe streets, on insurance, on electricity, on gas. Those are what we're spending. The gas where receipts and the telephones we don't have. That's what I'm saying.
1:04:201 hour, 4 minutes, 20 secondsI can bring you boxes worth of receipts.
1:04:231 hour, 4 minutes, 23 secondsYou should have you should have at least when you're doing um I can give you a check register but right now I'm showing when you're budgeting for a department
1:04:321 hour, 4 minutes, 32 secondswhen you're budgeting for a department and you have itemized you have itemized list for each item right that you make a purchase for.
1:04:391 hour, 4 minutes, 39 secondsIt's right here.
1:04:421 hour, 4 minutes, 42 secondsthe numbers he has is based on categories and those that's that's as a whole
1:04:511 hour, 4 minutes, 51 secondsthat's as a whole but that's what I'm saying we don't it's like your budget you do food you write food do we write ice cream soda
1:05:011 hour, 5 minutes, 1 secondwater delawa punch you just do a food and you give a damn and that's the that's the concept food we want to see what money but that's [laughter] It's right here.
1:05:121 hour, 5 minutes, 12 secondsWhatever you do, it's there.
1:05:141 hour, 5 minutes, 14 secondsIf you But if so, if they buy pins, you don't want to see it under office supplies. You want to see pins bought. Is that what you're saying?
1:05:201 hour, 5 minutes, 20 secondsYeah. I want to see what what they're spending the Yeah. what they're actually like.
1:05:231 hour, 5 minutes, 23 secondsThank Thank you, Mr. [name], for informing us on uh what we need to make the streets better.
1:05:281 hour, 5 minutes, 28 secondsIn the supply in the in the supply list, you should have a supply list. You should have items that you purchase. And I see your point, but we had an auditor and this was before I got on council.
1:05:381 hour, 5 minutes, 38 secondsThe auditor come in and did this exact same thing and signed off on the budget and that everything was there and this council when you were on it approved that
1:05:461 hour, 5 minutes, 46 secondsauditor's report. So I don't understand why we're hung up on that now.
1:05:501 hour, 5 minutes, 50 secondsAnd this stuff is generally just like she said available. You ask me questions throughout the entire week. Three or four emails every day.
1:05:571 hour, 5 minutes, 57 secondsHey, I want to see this. I send those informations to you. If you want that, we have check registers. We have a
1:06:041 hour, 6 minutes, 4 secondscome in all week long. I'm your your person to ask those type of questions and I will give those informations. If
1:06:121 hour, 6 minutes, 12 secondsyou want to see how like like I said, office supplies, do you want to see how much money is spent on pens versus paper versus ink?
1:06:201 hour, 6 minutes, 20 secondsThose things just ask me those that even that information is available. But what I'm telling you here is broken apart and
1:06:271 hour, 6 minutes, 27 secondsand categorized office supplies, gasoline, uh repairing vehicles, those are all
1:06:351 hour, 6 minutes, 35 secondsbroken apart and and categorized what we spent money on. And I have it right here on page two. So if for us to be able to move forward through this process is
1:06:431 hour, 6 minutes, 43 secondsreally critical that we get on the same page on how y'all want us to proceed.
1:06:491 hour, 6 minutes, 49 secondsThis is very dysfunctional. There's no way to get through a bunch of workshop if if we're talking about these the needs right now is what we're presenting. And I would like y'all to
1:06:581 hour, 6 minutes, 58 secondshelp us get through today by looking at the needs and helping us weight in in in [snorts] a category. Hey, let's look at those three items.
1:07:081 hour, 7 minutes, 8 secondsLet's prioritize those and try to find funds. And I will be glad to sit with you and y'all can come and do my job.
1:07:131 hour, 7 minutes, 13 secondsLook, sit down with me and say, you know what, they're probably buying too much paper or those decisions. I have to make those every day. Like, hey, where's
1:07:211 hour, 7 minutes, 21 secondsthose trash? Why are y'all buying that many trash bags? Well, we did those.
1:07:261 hour, 7 minutes, 26 secondsThat's my daily job. That's what I do on a daily basis. All right. So, I will gladly sit down with y'all.
1:07:321 hour, 7 minutes, 32 secondsCan you come back up here real quick?
1:07:351 hour, 7 minutes, 35 secondsFirst of all, and I understand your frustration, but on from me, and I'm and I don't want to speak for the rest of council, we understand what you're saying and your frustration. You want to
1:07:441 hour, 7 minutes, 44 secondsput out the best absolute quality that you can cuz you don't want to have to do work and then be held accountable for that work not holding up.
1:07:521 hour, 7 minutes, 52 secondsAnd I understand that. We appreciate the street crew cuz we this we see the work that y'all do and like Yes, sir.
1:07:581 hour, 7 minutes, 58 secondsI mean, and we appreciate what y'all are doing. We're trying to we got some growing pains that we're trying to work through and and and and we appreciate you coming up here. Thank y'all. Thank
1:08:071 hour, 8 minutes, 7 secondsyour crew for what they do cuz I mean without y'all I mean I don't know where I mean we'd be back in bug horse and buggy day. So thank you and your
1:08:151 hour, 8 minutes, 15 secondsdepartment for what y'all do. We're going to look at your request and and we'll we'll try to make some decisions on on if this is what you need and we
1:08:231 hour, 8 minutes, 23 secondscan afford it. We're going to try to get it for you.
1:08:251 hour, 8 minutes, 25 secondsI'm the type of person either way. We going to give the best interest we can give. Yes.
1:08:301 hour, 8 minutes, 30 secondsWe going to do the best job we can do and we just going to keep pressing forward.
1:08:341 hour, 8 minutes, 34 secondsYes, sir. Thank you. Thank you very much.
1:08:371 hour, 8 minutes, 37 secondsI I just want to say something for for for [name] as well, but I had No, you you can sit down. I had I had to call a
1:08:441 hour, 8 minutes, 44 secondsbusinessman this morning, not from here, from another town. But in the conversation then he brought it up and he said, "Hey, I see y'all doing a lot
1:08:531 hour, 8 minutes, 53 secondsof work on the streets in Crockett." I said, "Yes, sir. More than we've ever done before." And he said, "It's really looking good." So kudos to you.
1:09:041 hour, 9 minutes, 4 secondsfor um for reference while we're talking about the street department on um on page two of y'all's revenue sheets on
1:09:131 hour, 9 minutes, 13 secondspage two we have the actual expenses of 2024 2025 budgeted for 2026 and proposed
1:09:201 hour, 9 minutes, 20 secondsfor 2027 if you look down on the third line under contract services maintenance about center of the page um it says
1:09:281 hour, 9 minutes, 28 secondsmaintenance and repair streets this is what council has allocated each and every year for maintenance and repair on streets for the road construction that
1:09:351 hour, 9 minutes, 35 secondswe do and even down to the pothole repair. Okay.
1:09:391 hour, 9 minutes, 39 secondsSo, so in 2024 we spent 254,000 on maintenance repair. On 2025 we spent 481,000.
1:09:501 hour, 9 minutes, 50 secondsWe're budgeted this year for 574.
1:09:531 hour, 9 minutes, 53 secondsNext year's proposed budget and like I say this can change. This is the one that can change. This is what we're working through now. I currently have plugged in 650,000.
1:10:031 hour, 10 minutes, 3 secondsUm that's that's almost a 60% increase from two years ago. Continuing to try what we've found is our street
1:10:111 hour, 10 minutes, 11 secondsdepartment has become is very cost materialshheavy.
1:10:181 hour, 10 minutes, 18 secondsIt's it's the the expense of doing street construction is very expensive.
1:10:221 hour, 10 minutes, 22 secondsIt doesn't require a lot of people out there with shovels, a few good pieces of equipment and lots of money for tar and rock and
1:10:301 hour, 10 minutes, 30 secondscement and gravel and asphalt and all those things. Those eat up the budget quickly. We want to continue on that
1:10:371 hour, 10 minutes, 37 secondstrend spending money buying the materials. That's the that's the weakest link. I guess I should say if I gave
1:10:451 hour, 10 minutes, 45 seconds[name] today if if council said let's hire him four more people, we would not get a lot more work done. Yeah, with more and more people we would do
1:10:531 hour, 10 minutes, 53 secondssome probably some other stuff, you know, straightening up stop signs, replacing, you know, doing things like that and cutting tree limbs. But road
1:11:001 hour, 11 minutesconstruction, it's the money for the oil and the chip seal and the rock and and the tar and the asphalt. So, as much as
1:11:071 hour, 11 minutes, 7 secondscouncil can prioritize going towards continuing to fund us with supplies, the material and equipment,
1:11:151 hour, 11 minutes, 15 secondsum, that's the weakest link right now that we're asking council to, you know, continue focusing on. And I I want to say something to [name]. [name], I mean,
1:11:231 hour, 11 minutes, 23 secondsI I understand I know that you you and your guys are doing top-notch work.
1:11:291 hour, 11 minutes, 29 secondsY'all are putting the best your best foot forward, but and and not I'm not trying to discredit
1:11:361 hour, 11 minutes, 36 secondsy'all's work at all, but the thing of it is is just me just looking at at numbers. And I understand that it's like pulling teeth trying to get the
1:11:441 hour, 11 minutes, 44 secondsequipment to work with, but it's also like us pulling teeth trying to find the monies to get you that equipment. So,
1:11:531 hour, 11 minutes, 53 secondsit's not like I'm not trying to find the monies to get the equipment for the departments that need it, things like
1:12:001 hour, 12 minutesthat. I'm not trying to fight against the council or anything uh anything like that. I'm just adamant and in and about
1:12:081 hour, 12 minutes, 8 secondswhat we're doing and I want to make sure that we're doing it correctly because what I'm looking at is that we're getting and I keep saying a lot of
1:12:161 hour, 12 minutes, 16 secondsnumbers thrown at us and but we're seeing the numbers but we're not seeing what what these numbers are actually used for what what we're doing with the
1:12:241 hour, 12 minutes, 24 secondsand not just saying do with the monies but what it's used for. So going forward, I'm I've been asking for different um documents and things like
1:12:331 hour, 12 minutes, 33 secondsthat, you know, from [name]. Um I guess I'm almost getting there because if I don't ask the the right questions or for the right document, I may not get that.
1:12:451 hour, 12 minutes, 45 secondsSo I appreciate uh what all you do. And so
1:12:511 hour, 12 minutes, 51 secondsuntil we can look into the um into the see where No. Okay, let's hold up at this point.
1:12:581 hour, 12 minutes, 58 secondsHold up. No, no, no.
1:13:001 hour, 13 minutesWhen we can look into the ma'am, wait a minute. I asked you to stop. That's one.
1:13:081 hour, 13 minutes, 8 secondsNo, ma'am. Let me tell you where you are. Had the opportunity.
1:13:101 hour, 13 minutes, 10 secondsNo, he did, but he didn't call names and he didn't talk about he asked. No, you're calling No, you're calling his
1:13:191 hour, 13 minutes, 19 secondsname saying that he didn't do his job with you.
1:13:211 hour, 13 minutes, 21 secondsI just No, I just said I was I said that's inappropriate. Okay. It's inapprop.
1:13:261 hour, 13 minutes, 26 secondsNo, that's not what you said. Go ahead with No, we're not going to get Go ahead. But anyway, I appreciate I appreciate you uh what you do. And uh
1:13:341 hour, 13 minutes, 34 secondslike I said, I'm not fighting against the council or anything like that or the material or the or the um what you need to do your job, but what we just need to
1:13:431 hour, 13 minutes, 43 secondsdo is find the funds to try to see if we can uh help your department. Thank you.
1:13:501 hour, 13 minutes, 50 secondsOkay. Uh at this point, we're almost at a stalemate of where we need to go next, but what we were
1:13:561 hour, 13 minutes, 56 secondssupposed to do back on target and I was we're supposed to look at what's there, give an explanation of how we feel about
1:14:051 hour, 14 minutes, 5 secondsit in terms of where we want and we need to decide whether it's something we want to do. We're not making final decision.
1:14:111 hour, 14 minutes, 11 secondsWe're not revering detailed budgets from last year in terms of where we are because we've already had opportunity to do that. But we want to say at this point, they're going to present it.
1:14:211 hour, 14 minutes, 21 secondsWe're going to digest it. We're going to decide and like you said, is it another means of finance we could use. Those are
1:14:281 hour, 14 minutes, 28 secondsrecommendations that we can move forward with and look into. But just the generic, let's let's get a list all of the detail list that you have. This is
1:14:371 hour, 14 minutes, 37 secondswhat we're working with. And if you want more detail, you can follow up with it in a different way. But right now, we're just bogging oursel down with our
1:14:441 hour, 14 minutes, 44 secondspersonal feelings, but we do want you to give the accountability for what's best for the district, but we're not trying.
1:14:511 hour, 14 minutes, 51 secondsWe're going to not, this is not the final decision. This is the first time.
1:14:541 hour, 14 minutes, 54 secondsAnd right now, we are bogging down and we need to move forward with it. So, what needs to happen? You do have the numbers before you. If there are things
1:15:021 hour, 15 minutes, 2 secondsthat you don't understand on the numbers, that's something that you might need to arrange to get with to get a further explanation. You can give your
1:15:101 hour, 15 minutes, 10 secondsexplanation, but we're not personally identifying what everybody's doing is in their job role. We're doing what what
1:15:181 hour, 15 minutes, 18 secondswe're doing with the finance. We're focusing on that. So, with that being said, we'll move to the next item where we are right now. The next two items I
1:15:261 hour, 15 minutes, 26 secondshave in front of you, um, I've already handed them out and I asked, uh, I don't know, you may have put them already in
1:15:331 hour, 15 minutes, 33 secondsyour, um, in your binders. U, cuz I was asking for more information and cost.
1:15:401 hour, 15 minutes, 40 secondsAnd so, I'm going to break these two down real quick. On our utility side, we have two more specific needs that are not currently being addressed in our operations budget.
1:15:511 hour, 15 minutes, 51 secondsum in our in our overall operations and maintenance budget. We buy the chemicals. We we pay for the licenses.
1:16:001 hour, 16 minutesWe we pay for all the permits and everything that it costs to run a a water system and a sewer system. There's two needs that we currently do not have
1:16:081 hour, 16 minutes, 8 secondsaddressed. Um this the two that we handed out, Mr. Um so we have a water
1:16:161 hour, 16 minutes, 16 secondsand a one in the water department and one in the waste water department.
1:16:211 hour, 16 minutes, 21 secondsour water tower that's over top of the state school on the south loop.
1:16:291 hour, 16 minutes, 29 secondsWe we have that um those towers we have them inspected. The inspection that just came back on the water tower on the east
1:16:361 hour, 16 minutes, 36 secondsside is good. The inspection that came back on the south tower um is showing uh
1:16:431 hour, 16 minutes, 43 secondsbeginning to show paint flaking uh rust deposits and some a few small pinhole
1:16:501 hour, 16 minutes, 50 secondsuh uh rust um in the uh in the uh riser
1:16:571 hour, 16 minutes, 57 secondsTCQ. Once this gets to the point um more than likely next year because every year we submit all these inspections to TCQ,
1:17:041 hour, 17 minutes, 4 secondsthey give us a time frame to go in and address them. If this one is not addressed, this will be one that will be
1:17:131 hour, 17 minutes, 13 secondsuh TCQ will give us an enforcement order or and a timeline to get it back repaired to where it passes inspection.
1:17:201 hour, 17 minutes, 20 secondsThey would shut this they would shut the station down.
1:17:241 hour, 17 minutes, 24 secondsThey can do all kinds of things. A lot of it is they'll either find they'll they'll they'll fine us. They'll give us, you know, penalties and fines
1:17:311 hour, 17 minutes, 31 seconds[snorts]
1:17:321 hour, 17 minutes, 32 secondsum with deadlines to repair um or um make us take that tower offline while it's repaired, you know, and and make it
1:17:401 hour, 17 minutes, 40 secondsmake sure that it gets repaired before it gets put online. Um we reached out to our engineers.
1:17:491 hour, 17 minutes, 49 secondsWhen you talk about engineering, they're going to go back to um
1:17:561 hour, 17 minutes, 56 secondsthe core of what they can warranty and make sure that it's done the right way and specifications in paint, sand
1:18:051 hour, 18 minutes, 5 secondsblasting, time, uh the the gauges and thicknesses, steel, and then they bid that out. They put specifications
1:18:131 hour, 18 minutes, 13 secondstogether and bid it out. Their estimate for that tower is um in the $600,000 range to sand blast and redo and reseal
1:18:221 hour, 18 minutes, 22 secondsthat tower and recode it and paint it and bring it back online.
1:18:261 hour, 18 minutes, 26 secondsUm we talked to several local contractors. One is um one of the ones
1:18:331 hour, 18 minutes, 33 secondsthat's done work for us before. Um, as long as we stay under a $100,000 threshold, we don't have to engineer it.
1:18:401 hour, 18 minutes, 40 secondsIf it's a small repair and we're just fixing it back up like it's already designed, the tank is already there. We don't have to redesign everything. All
1:18:471 hour, 18 minutes, 47 secondswe need is to clean that paint, sand blast it off, repaint it, give us a a warranty, you know, for the paint and
1:18:551 hour, 18 minutes, 55 secondsthe workmanship. If we stay under a h 100,000, we don't have to go through all the engineering and the specifications which
1:19:021 hour, 19 minutes, 2 secondsreally run up the costs. Um, a couple of the companies that's already
1:19:101 hour, 19 minutes, 10 secondslooked at it has been anywhere from the 90s to 120,000.
1:19:141 hour, 19 minutes, 14 secondsIt's just kind of a given that I just not asked for 120. If I'm going to ask for 120, I'm going to have to ask for 600,000 because I have to have it engineered and then we have to go out
1:19:231 hour, 19 minutes, 23 secondsfor bid based on engineer specifications.
1:19:281 hour, 19 minutes, 28 secondsOkay, we got a Here's some water.
1:19:301 hour, 19 minutes, 30 secondsCan you grab [cough] Can you grab water?
1:19:321 hour, 19 minutes, 32 secondsOkay, here's the water. Have you used it?
1:19:361 hour, 19 minutes, 36 secondsOh, you just We're bringing a water real quick.
1:19:401 hour, 19 minutes, 40 secondsSo, so I I would really like
1:19:461 hour, 19 minutes, 46 seconds[cough]
1:19:481 hour, 19 minutes, 48 seconds[laughter]
1:19:481 hour, 19 minutes, 48 secondsWhat is happening there?
1:19:501 hour, 19 minutes, 50 secondsIt's tickling my throat just thinking about it.
1:19:551 hour, 19 minutes, 55 seconds[snorts]
1:19:551 hour, 19 minutes, 55 secondsUm, so that's one of the needs that in order for us to not go under any kind of uh
1:20:021 hour, 20 minutes, 2 secondsTCQ enforcement order, we really need to, um, plan on spending some money on that water tower to get it sandlasted.
1:20:101 hour, 20 minutes, 10 secondsAnd so, um, that's that's the one and I have that form in front of you. The other one, right? Right. Uhu.
1:20:161 hour, 20 minutes, 16 secondsWhat's the one? So, what so what's the protocol for CCQ? So they give you you saying that they can look at it next
1:20:241 hour, 20 minutes, 24 secondsyear. So just looking at it saying that it needs repainting, sand blasting. What
1:20:301 hour, 20 minutes, 30 secondstype of uh protocol is there like set to where they give you a warning to give you time to get it?
1:20:381 hour, 20 minutes, 38 secondsUsually they'll usually usually they'll do something called a finding. they come out and present a finding and usually it comes with probably about if if we give
1:20:461 hour, 20 minutes, 46 secondsthem you know 30 days before that goes into violation notice you know it gives you a little bit of time and usually if
1:20:531 hour, 20 minutes, 53 secondsit's something small hey you're missing you know a life vest at your wastewater plant we buy it to send them a receipt and it never hits you know it never gets
1:21:011 hour, 21 minutes, 1 secondrecorded but then after that it goes into notice once the notices are sent usually they'll give us um 30 days 90
1:21:081 hour, 21 minutes, 8 secondsdays a timeline and if it we don't meet that, then we would go into enforcement order. It's like, hey, you have to fix this or you'll be fined so much a day and and so forth.
1:21:181 hour, 21 minutes, 18 secondsSo, so we have we have all that time.
1:21:201 hour, 21 minutes, 20 secondsThat's why I'm asking council now ahead of time cuz I know that it will be coming. It's that process in that tank that the coating and everything is going
1:21:291 hour, 21 minutes, 29 secondsto need to be addressed before our our ne next inspection cuz we found it in our inspection. It's still it's
1:21:361 hour, 21 minutes, 36 secondsserviceable, but it won't be serviceable long. As as we start [snorts] losing paint or rust starts, you know, growing,
1:21:441 hour, 21 minutes, 44 secondsthen we need to jump on that before before we have a lot more uh construction and and repairs.
1:21:511 hour, 21 minutes, 51 seconds[name], when was the last time it was serviced? Uh in 2019.
1:21:551 hour, 21 minutes, 55 secondsOkay. So, we don't have a a warranty on it or anything? No, sir. Okay. So, we did both of our tanks in 2019 and um we
1:22:031 hour, 22 minutes, 3 secondsat that point we went in and spent uh 900 almost a million dollars for both of our tanks.
1:22:101 hour, 22 minutes, 10 secondsUm essentially what our engineers are saying, we probably need to go back and do that same thing that we did back in 2019.
1:22:181 hour, 22 minutes, 18 secondsI know that the exterior of it, yes, the paint is getting a little chalky. The logo still look fine. We're not losing anything. It's still structurally sound.
1:22:251 hour, 22 minutes, 25 secondsWe need to sand blast the interior, recode it because we're we're out of, you know, kind of any warranties, but we can do a quick fix on it now instead of
1:22:341 hour, 22 minutes, 34 secondswaiting until it gets into a full rebuilt, you know, a re re uh rehabilitation on it. So once we do
1:22:421 hour, 22 minutes, 42 secondsthat, how long uh for us is a rehabilitation on that or re normally the warranties normally the
1:22:501 hour, 22 minutes, 50 secondswarranties are a year to two years for materials and workmanship, you know.
1:22:551 hour, 22 minutes, 55 secondsUm I I feel like I know the time before that tower had not been fully done for
1:23:031 hour, 23 minutes, 3 seconds20 years when we did it in 2019. It had not been done for [clears throat] for 20 years.
1:23:091 hour, 23 minutes, 9 secondsRight at it was right at 2000 when we had the last uh uh tank and that was remember that was the when the contractor and the the g one of the
1:23:181 hour, 23 minutes, 18 secondspainters fell you know and it was you know so that's been what 25 26 years ago.
1:23:221 hour, 23 minutes, 22 secondsWow. And so it lasted 20 years that time and we got into really bad where TCQ was requiring us to do it then. here.
1:23:321 hour, 23 minutes, 32 secondsThey're not requiring us to do it yet, but we're out of warranty for it. And so, I think if we kept it and we did just a repair and I would I would bring
1:23:411 hour, 23 minutes, 41 secondsback that company that did it last, reach out to them and and require them to put a little bit of put a little bit of
1:23:501 hour, 23 minutes, 50 secondspressure on them, ask them to to step up to the plate because we feel like six years is definitely a short lifespan for what we
1:23:571 hour, 23 minutes, 57 secondsinvested in it. Um the next one is the clarifier at our south wastewater uh treatment plant. Um the bull gear has
1:24:051 hour, 24 minutes, 5 secondsfailed on that one. These are old these are old units. These are 1970s uh clarifiers and that bull gear gave way.
1:24:131 hour, 24 minutes, 13 secondsWe have two clarifiers, but now we're doing double duty on one with no backup at the wastewater plant at the south plant. Um
1:24:211 hour, 24 minutes, 21 secondswe just did a complete rehabilitation on our clarifier at the north plant that water development board is going to be paying money for. They're going to reimburse us for that, but that one cost
1:24:301 hour, 24 minutes, 30 secondsus right at 350,000. This one's a little smaller.
1:24:341 hour, 24 minutes, 34 secondsUm, so I'm requesting 320,000, but obviously all of that will have to be, you know, speced out and bid out. We'll
1:24:411 hour, 24 minutes, 41 secondshave to get bids on all of that. But we're currently out of a clarifier [snorts] at the wastewater treatment plant. And I have that in front of you.
1:24:501 hour, 24 minutes, 50 secondsThe only last one that I'll talk about, I have some other ones. They're in your book. I know that we're not even going to get to those. I have to show them to
1:24:571 hour, 24 minutes, 57 secondsyou as a need, but um I can't also in good faith show you funding that will service those needs. So, we're going to leave those.
1:25:101 hour, 25 minutes, 10 secondsThe last one um is
1:25:181 hour, 25 minutes, 18 secondsit's a budget appropriation cost of living adjustment for city employees.
1:25:251 hour, 25 minutes, 25 secondsThe city has 59 full-time and 15 part part-time employees.
1:25:301 hour, 25 minutes, 30 secondsI spoke I spoke to y'all about this um during our one-on-one meetings. Um in 2022,
1:25:371 hour, 25 minutes, 37 secondswe did a full assessment of cities all around East Texas and some of our private industry and we we were we had
1:25:471 hour, 25 minutes, 47 secondsquite a few holes that we could not fill in public works. The police department had several holes that they could not fill. we were just not even getting people applying for the the positions
1:25:541 hour, 25 minutes, 54 secondsthat we had um open um and we were losing people at that time. Council did a significant salary adjustment across
1:26:031 hour, 26 minutes, 3 secondsall city um departments and we did it really heavy on the entry level people getting entry level salaries up from 910
1:26:111 hour, 26 minutes, 11 seconds$12 an hour. Um police department I think was $15 or $16 an hour. We did a big adjustment across departments,
1:26:201 hour, 26 minutes, 20 secondsespecially for entry level, and brought wages up to where we're more competitive. Since 2022, in 2024, we
1:26:281 hour, 26 minutes, 28 secondsgave a 2% cola. So, since 2022 to current, we've only given 2%
1:26:351 hour, 26 minutes, 35 secondsin comparison to inflation that has been 12 a.5%. So we've addressed we've addressed um
1:26:441 hour, 26 minutes, 44 secondsbut we still have probably you know a delta of at least 10% what people were making in 22 22 to what it translates
1:26:521 hour, 26 minutes, 52 secondstoday at the grocery store and with their bills and everything else. Um
1:26:581 hour, 26 minutes, 58 secondsI have a a breakdown you know 372,000 would be across all city employees. Um
1:27:061 hour, 27 minutes, 6 secondsthis excludes um some of our upper tier employees um some of our department heads that excludes them but addresses everyone else beneath them.
1:27:181 hour, 27 minutes, 18 secondsUm I think it's under GA under that tab under GA. Okay.
1:27:351 hour, 27 minutes, 35 secondsUm, this right here, that's $372,000 cost would be across general, our general fund and our utility fund. So,
1:27:441 hour, 27 minutes, 44 secondswe we could share those costs, you know, the department employees that are under our utility departments.
1:27:491 hour, 27 minutes, 49 secondsWater and [snorts] sewer rates would cover those.
1:27:531 hour, 27 minutes, 53 secondsum taxes and re and other sources of revenue would cover the 372,000 [snorts] that of the employees that are under the
1:28:011 hour, 28 minutes, 1 secondgeneral administration, parks, streets, and and library and everyone else.
1:28:091 hour, 28 minutes, 9 secondsUm like I said, we did talk about this um quite a bit and you have this information as we move forward in this
1:28:161 hour, 28 minutes, 16 secondsbudget process. Um, you know, my hopes is that we can come back with some options
1:28:231 hour, 28 minutes, 23 secondsuh to council on how to fund Yeah.
1:28:261 hour, 28 minutes, 26 secondseither that amount or any other amount,
1:28:281 hour, 28 minutes, 28 seconds[snorts]
1:28:291 hour, 28 minutes, 29 secondsyou know, um that that we can um place in our budget.
1:28:341 hour, 28 minutes, 34 secondsSo, this figure here is with the uh 10 and a half%. Uh 10%. I Yes, I did. 10%. Okay.
1:28:451 hour, 28 minutes, 45 secondsjust as a it says five.
1:28:491 hour, 28 minutes, 49 secondsSo as a just a feel for do you think this is a hardship for what's going to be taken in or is it's going to require
1:28:571 hour, 28 minutes, 57 secondssome I think within our current budget like I proposed it to you the the sheets that
1:29:051 hour, 29 minutes, 5 secondsyou have the worksheets that you have I do not have this factored in. We're going to have to come up with that revenue. Um, it's not currently projected.
1:29:141 hour, 29 minutes, 14 secondsI don't have that revenue to say that's where that money will come from.
1:29:181 hour, 29 minutes, 18 secondsHang on a second. So, the 37 372,000 I do apologize there at the very bottom.
1:29:231 hour, 29 minutes, 23 secondsI was doing numbers. I did numbers throughout the entire document. It does mention 10%. That one's 10%. Not 5%.
1:29:311 hour, 29 minutes, 31 secondsMake sure I'm that's that's correct. 600,000 compared to 300,000.
1:29:381 hour, 29 minutes, 38 secondsNo. So 5% would be, you know, roughly half of that. Okay. I do apologize. Oh, you're good.
1:29:441 hour, 29 minutes, 44 secondsUm, yeah, I was looking up here. So I I I mentioned 10% throughout the So I was running also numbers on
1:29:511 hour, 29 minutes, 51 secondsfive and two and one and everything. So, okay. Um, outside of that, um, I know the police
1:29:581 hour, 29 minutes, 58 secondsdepartment, they're still they have some specific requests that really need to be addressed. Um
1:30:061 hour, 30 minutes, 6 secondsif we want to go through that one and then do a quick water break, short uh break or you want to I think we do the police.
1:30:131 hour, 30 minutes, 13 secondsOkay, let me pull water and then you have your packets for the
1:30:211 hour, 30 minutes, 21 secondspolice department in front of y'all under tab.
1:30:291 hour, 30 minutes, 29 secondsthe police tab. All right.
1:30:411 hour, 30 minutes, 41 secondsCouncil, I'm going to make mine a lot faster.
1:30:441 hour, 30 minutes, 44 secondsI doubt it. I doubt it. [laughter] Oh, he's already talking. He's done homework.
1:30:491 hour, 30 minutes, 49 secondsExpensive, but it won't take as long. So before I get into some of the capital request, I didn't realize that as part of this, but I want to talk about salary increases.
1:31:001 hour, 31 minutesProbably one of the biggest things u for budget for my department. Just being blunt and straight up with y'all. If we
1:31:081 hour, 31 minutes, 8 secondsdon't significantly address our pay, we're going to lose over half of our department. I think you're going to see a mass accident within the coming month
1:31:171 hour, 31 minutes, 17 secondsif we don't address it simply because There's so many other opportunities out there
1:31:241 hour, 31 minutes, 24 secondsstart out $8,000 car like I told y'all they come and met
1:31:311 hour, 31 minutes, 31 secondswith me. I understand we may not be able to to match Lin Huntsville, Houston, Dallas, but I think we have to find
1:31:391 hour, 31 minutes, 39 secondssomething for our city that keeps them around. They're local. They want to say they have family here, something that they can survive on.
1:31:481 hour, 31 minutes, 48 secondsSo I I do think that pay adjustment is very significant and important to to the
1:31:551 hour, 31 minutes, 55 secondspolice department. You lose uh if you lose 90 police officers, you're looking at losing more than half of your force,
1:32:041 hour, 32 minutes, 4 secondsthen I think we have to come back and discuss seriously what services we want to start cutting within the police department. Do
1:32:131 hour, 32 minutes, 13 secondswe want to cut 24-hour code? Do we only respond to in progress calls. Um, how we
1:32:211 hour, 32 minutes, 21 secondswant to fix that because [snorts] with a shortage like that, it's going to be pretty significant. I understand that that's not all going to
1:32:291 hour, 32 minutes, 29 secondshappen at once. I [snorts] know it's going to come within weeks and months.
1:32:331 hour, 32 minutes, 33 secondsUm, but I know that that I have nine for sure who have personally told me if we do not address it, we're going to start applying for other jobs. I can't blame
1:32:421 hour, 32 minutes, 42 secondsthem. Can't fault them. They have families to raise, they have young children.
1:32:461 hour, 32 minutes, 46 secondsthey have to do what they have to do to survive. So, um I wanted to touch on that since just talked about it. Um on
1:32:551 hour, 32 minutes, 55 secondsour capital request, you'll see that I have three there. I've got rated top priority to lowest. We'll talk about patrol rifle equipment.
1:33:051 hour, 33 minutes, 5 secondsWe were [clears throat] lucky enough to obtain money from uh weapons that had been awarded to our department through
1:33:121 hour, 33 minutes, 12 secondsthe courts uh to uh turn those over to an authorized gun dealer who in turn gives us a credit for
1:33:201 hour, 33 minutes, 20 secondsequipment. With that, we were able to purchase patrol rifles. Right around the $20,000 mark is what what we what we
1:33:301 hour, 33 minutes, 30 secondsspent on that. And so we didn't have enough to finish out building the rifles. The optics, the lights, and the slings. Obviously, that's one of the
1:33:381 hour, 33 minutes, 38 secondsmost important parts of of your weapon are those three three items there. So, we're asking for $20, $25 to uh buy the
1:33:471 hour, 33 minutes, 47 secondsoptics, the lights, and the wings to add on those.
1:33:531 hour, 33 minutes, 53 secondsUm the next I have patrol vehicles, but I met with some of y'all in our budget.
1:34:011 hour, 34 minutes, 1 secondWe discussed possibility of leasing our fleet. I'm in the process of negotiating with a couple two different companies
1:34:091 hour, 34 minutes, 9 secondsgetting prices uh to to present that to y'all to see what that would look like if it would make more sense because the truth is we should be budgeting money in
1:34:181 hour, 34 minutes, 18 secondsour budget every year for vehicles. Um what what happens to these vehicles unlike a lot of the other departments. I know their vehicles get get worked
1:34:261 hour, 34 minutes, 26 secondspretty hard but our cars are on the go 247. they hardly ever get a break. So, we try we try to space them out where
1:34:341 hour, 34 minutes, 34 secondsthey will get a break, but that [snorts] doesn't happen all the time. Uh right now, our current fleet um we have 11 we've got two with over 100,000 miles.
1:34:451 hour, 34 minutes, 45 secondsWe've got one, two, we've got two with over 75,000 miles. And then our Durango,
1:34:531 hour, 34 minutes, 53 secondswhich are our newest in our fleet, uh we're averaging between 28 and 41,000 on those. And those are our newest cars.
1:35:021 hour, 35 minutes, 2 secondsSo if we continue to skip a year, uh you're going to see that mileage keep racking up. Uh unfortunately,
1:35:111 hour, 35 minutes, 11 secondsuh vehicles are an important part of our job. If we can't get to where the calls are at, then it's obviously [snorts] an issue. That's one reason I really like
1:35:201 hour, 35 minutes, 20 secondsthat lease program. I know it it's going to come with some probably it fair share of questions or issues like you know we we agree to a
1:35:291 hour, 35 minutes, 29 secondslease these vehicles and we agree to that amount of money every year. Um but we're also getting a lot of services
1:35:371 hour, 35 minutes, 37 secondsthat we're not getting. Whereas if we just budget for one car here, one car there, you'll see by the prices, uh the
1:35:451 hour, 35 minutes, 45 secondscost has increased for a Chevy Tahoe outfitted looking over $83,000.
1:35:511 hour, 35 minutes, 51 seconds[snorts] And for a Dodge Rainbow, you're looking at over 76. And that doesn't include the incar video system. That
1:35:591 hour, 35 minutes, 59 secondsdoesn't include the radio that we have to put in it. And that doesn't include the radar. The radio and the radar we provide ourselves. We equipment in stock
1:36:08 [segment omitted]
1:36:161 hour, 36 minutes, 16 secondshave to keep them in good working fashion. So, let me I'm sorry. I know I probably missed it, but the lease vehicles, they
1:36:261 hour, 36 minutes, 26 secondscome with nothing or do they come with something?
1:36:281 hour, 36 minutes, 28 secondsThe lease vehicles, what they do is it's a total package. They ground and they deliver them here. We're ready to put insurance on them.
1:36:381 hour, 36 minutes, 38 secondsuh their their pricing and their program includes the fee for the vehicle and for all the associated equipment is wrapped
1:36:471 hour, 36 minutes, 47 secondsup in that lease and spaced out. Uh different there'll be different terms three years, four years, 5 years and up
1:36:541 hour, 36 minutes, 54 secondsto seven. They [snorts] don't recommend going over that three year because then you get out of your vehicle warranty. Um
1:37:011 hour, 37 minutes, 1 secondthe lease companies that they monitor the mileage on these vehicles and when they hit their mark 30,000 25 30,000
1:37:101 hour, 37 minutes, 10 secondsthey pick a component and say chief I'm sending you a brand new unit we're coming to pick that one up and they're constantly cycling them out because what they're doing is they're taking on the
1:37:181 hour, 37 minutes, 18 secondsbackside selling them and recouping their money. So um that that's kind of in a nutshell what that program does.
1:37:261 hour, 37 minutes, 26 secondsI'm waiting on the specifics. I've got two different companies that we're looking at. I know the city of Palestine uh their police department and public
1:37:331 hour, 37 minutes, 33 secondsworks department uh they lease all of their vehicles through enterprise. Um they really like the program
1:37:411 hour, 37 minutes, 41 secondsbut uh we're looking at enterprise and DNM leasing. So as we continue on in our budget preparation, I'll have those
1:37:491 hour, 37 minutes, 49 secondsthose numbers and that information for y'all coming up and as soon as I get I'll send out to y'all so you can start reviewing it. Our third capital request,
1:37:591 hour, 37 minutes, 59 secondsuh, as y'all know, we we've had drones for a couple years. Uh, we got those on grants, um, or private funding.
1:38:071 hour, 38 minutes, 7 secondsActually, we're able to get three. Is anything else that equipment starts aging? Uh, we haven't found a source of
1:38:141 hour, 38 minutes, 14 secondsof money for replacing these drones. So, uh, we went with one. The cost is
1:38:211 hour, 38 minutes, 21 seconds13,567.88 that would start cycling in newer blood in our drone bleed so as those other
1:38:301 hour, 38 minutes, 30 secondsones start deteriorating we can maintain those services.
1:38:361 hour, 38 minutes, 36 secondsThat's all I have. Any questions?
1:38:401 hour, 38 minutes, 40 secondsUm, thank you, Chief. I know, um, I don't know if it was a budgeted expense or not, but I know we talked about the,
1:38:471 hour, 38 minutes, 47 secondsum, the laptops, the software, um, and and how that would be something that could probably take us out of service or
1:38:551 hour, 38 minutes, 55 secondswhatnot. Um, could you kind of elaborate on that?
1:38:591 hour, 38 minutes, 59 secondsSo, several years ago when we first got computers in our cars, uh, the council then chose to purchase those computers
1:39:071 hour, 39 minutes, 7 secondsoutright instead of leasing them. We purchase them outright. We own them and we own all the issues that come with it.
1:39:141 hour, 39 minutes, 14 secondsSo, [clears throat] three, four, five years later, as they out, now these new ones have come in. These are no longer
1:39:231 hour, 39 minutes, 23 secondsyou can't update them. You can't do anything with them. Uh, so right now, six out of our 10 that we have are not
1:39:321 hour, 39 minutes, 32 secondsCES compliant. So, we're fixing to have to remove them from the vehicle because we can't get them to a point of
1:39:391 hour, 39 minutes, 39 secondswhere their seat is compliant. So, um grand scheme of things, that's a huge issue, especially with the state. Right
1:39:471 hour, 39 minutes, 47 secondsnow, our able to write tickets. That's how we issue our citations is is through those computers. So, you are going to see a
1:39:561 hour, 39 minutes, 56 secondspretty significant about $11,000 increase in our annual fee line item because we went back
1:40:021 hour, 40 minutes, 2 seconds[clears throat]
1:40:031 hour, 40 minutes, 3 secondssix additional computers to go with the ones that were already leased so we can cycle those old out. That is an annual
1:40:101 hour, 40 minutes, 10 secondsfee. With that lease, they cover everything. In three years, uh they'll send us all new computers. We'll send
1:40:181 hour, 40 minutes, 18 secondsthose back. They're constantly rotating that equipment out so we don't have a maintenance issue. So, I know it seems
1:40:251 hour, 40 minutes, 25 secondslike a big number yearly, but when it comes to, you know, spending 20, 30, $40,000 and four years having to do it
1:40:321 hour, 40 minutes, 32 secondsagain, I think I think it works out in the long run. It's a lot easier to budget for knowing that that we've got that that
1:40:401 hour, 40 minutes, 40 secondsSo, you have you've you've budgeted for that for that expense that that is added into our present.
1:40:501 hour, 40 minutes, 50 secondsI got two questions. one with the lease program. Like the other day I saw one of your officers jump in a car and he was having a problem cranking it with that
1:40:571 hour, 40 minutes, 57 secondsDurango. I know there's been some fuel filter issues or fuel pump issues with them. If you're on the lease program and they're having those issues, they just we would you would make a phone call and they would fix those. Right.
1:41:071 hour, 41 minutes, 7 secondsRight. So, uh each company has different programs uh like enterprise thing. We
1:41:141 hour, 41 minutes, 14 secondswill handle minor maintenance such as oil changes, tire rotation, stuff like that. Uh but your your bigger expenses,
1:41:221 hour, 41 minutes, 22 secondsyour electrical system, fuel system, filter. They'll have specific dealerships that those vehicles will have to go to basically warranty work.
1:41:321 hour, 41 minutes, 32 secondsUm, so the uh the second company, I haven't gotten all that information, but one of the nice things they offer is the ability to choose what vehicle you want.
1:41:431 hour, 41 minutes, 43 secondsOriginally, we got away from Taho because they were not as available, but now they are. So, likely that's
1:41:511 hour, 41 minutes, 51 secondssomething we're going to transition back to if we go with le program because we don't have those type issues. The Draco has been great but we've not fuel and
1:42:001 hour, 42 minutessome electrical issues in them just like what you're talking about. You may get that car.
1:42:071 hour, 42 minutes, 7 secondsThey hit that push button to start and it'll turn over about six times.
1:42:131 hour, 42 minutes, 13 secondsThey do it right after they hear it right up and it's hit or miss. It seems like it's mostly every time that I hear a cop car trying to start
1:42:211 hour, 42 minutes, 21 secondsand it happened on one of them all day long, but that same vehicle tomorrow may not be an issue. When we have to multiple dealerships, we can't find the issue.
1:42:301 hour, 42 minutes, 30 secondsYeah.
1:42:311 hour, 42 minutes, 31 secondsThey won't find an issue until after the warranty has expired. Oh, wow. Like, oh, we found it and it's going to cost $7,000.
1:42:381 hour, 42 minutes, 38 secondsWell, in that case, does the I mean, do we and I'm this is more of a question.
1:42:421 hour, 42 minutes, 42 secondsDo we work on that ourselves or do we depending on what the issue is, do we?
1:42:471 hour, 42 minutes, 47 secondsSo, it depends. If it's something that's covered, we do have dealers, you know, we'll take it to the dealership. A lot of these things, we've been fairly uh adept at fixing them ourselves.
1:42:571 hour, 42 minutes, 57 secondsSomething like this, I think if it it might require a a letter from our attorney, these things are under
1:43:041 hour, 43 minutes, 4 secondswarranty and they're emergency vehicles, life safety vehicles. They need to start. And they the thing is is they do start.
1:43:131 hour, 43 minutes, 13 secondsIt's just not right away. They start later.
1:43:171 hour, 43 minutes, 17 secondsOne of your officers had a had a a hot call and he come jogging out. I'm just kind of watching. He went [clears throat] in three times and then it fired up and
1:43:251 hour, 43 minutes, 25 secondsthen he, you know, he took off lights and sirens. I'm like, man, that's kind of that's like our brand new Chevrolet truck. We have less than 5,000 miles on
1:43:331 hour, 43 minutes, 33 secondsit. My captain was going down the interstate the other day and it just cut off.
1:43:391 hour, 43 minutes, 39 secondsrain cut off flashlight told him to shift it into neutral. Luckily, he had the snap to go ahead and do that and
1:43:471 hour, 43 minutes, 47 secondsfired right back up. But those those are issues that you don't like.
1:43:521 hour, 43 minutes, 52 seconds[snorts]
1:43:531 hour, 43 minutes, 53 secondsBut the Oh, I'm sorry. The other question I have is this is so this drone that you have, have y'all I know like
1:44:011 hour, 44 minutes, 1 secondsome of the some of the agencies down around Houston and I want to say Stafford maybe or League City, they have wired um drones. So like for like say the
1:44:101 hour, 44 minutes, 10 secondsFourth of July thing, it's going to be up for a while. I know batteries last 15 20 minutes. It's a wired drone. You plug it in, throw it up in the sky and it's
1:44:181 hour, 44 minutes, 18 secondsgot like a 600 foot tether and it just stays there floating. I mean is that something y'all's considered at all? And I know they're a little bit cheaper, but I mean I didn't know if that's something y'all consider.
1:44:271 hour, 44 minutes, 27 secondsWe have that capability. Oh, wow. The equipment that does that. Okay. The tether that ties in. Basically, it's
1:44:351 hour, 44 minutes, 35 secondshooked up to electricity. You can run it up for [clears throat] however long you want it up there just for over type
1:44:421 hour, 44 minutes, 42 secondssituation. That's just something we never have purchased because we've been able to uh you know the battery packs just keep them up and we may bring it
1:44:511 hour, 44 minutes, 51 secondsdown for a little bit and back and forth like for Fourth of July. We spent uh most of the Fourth of July event in the
1:44:571 hour, 44 minutes, 57 secondsair except for bring it down battery. So it hadn't been an issue for us. It's one of those pieces of equipment that we'd
1:45:051 hour, 45 minutes, 5 secondslove to have and have the availability of just
1:45:101 hour, 45 minutes, 10 seconds[snorts]
1:45:111 hour, 45 minutes, 11 secondsSo, is it better on is it better to be wireless or is it better to have a wire?
1:45:171 hour, 45 minutes, 17 secondsBecause if it's wireless, you can go all over the place.
1:45:201 hour, 45 minutes, 20 secondsWell, every situation going to call for a different way to handle it. For instance, like Council [name] said for
1:45:291 hour, 45 minutes, 29 secondsthe Fourth of July event, that water situation would be perfect. put it up and covered everything that was going
1:45:351 hour, 45 minutes, 35 secondson. I have to move around. If we're on a search or rescue operation or looking for a suspect, obviously we don't want
1:45:431 hour, 45 minutes, 43 secondsto be flying around. So, every situation uh could it be used? Absolutely.
1:45:481 hour, 45 minutes, 48 secondsEspecially for Fourth of July, Christmas and stuff like that.
1:45:541 hour, 45 minutes, 54 secondsSo, with that being said, so are there any other grants uh available for for extra? So, so grants for drones are
1:46:031 hour, 46 minutes, 3 secondsnearly impossible to get uh even to the point you have to go to the state capital to testify for them. Uh all of
1:46:111 hour, 46 minutes, 11 secondsour grants come from private donors. Um that's that's where we were able to get ours. Um the private donors have not
1:46:181 hour, 46 minutes, 18 secondscome back with any additional funding at this point. So we probably 95% of the
1:46:251 hour, 46 minutes, 25 secondsequipment that we've gotten drones, LPRs, a lot of the stuff that we get the guys,
1:46:321 hour, 46 minutes, 32 secondsthe weapons, the breaching tools, all that stuff. We've gotten that on grants or donations. We haven't come to the city to say, "Hey, we need this money."
1:46:401 hour, 46 minutes, 40 secondsI think at some point we have to let some of our private donors breathe a little bit and say, "Hey, we're going to take on this responsibility." You know,
1:46:481 hour, 46 minutes, 48 secondswe're going to, you know, I guess what I'm saying I don't want to wear out our welcome some of these private numbers. That's why I'm coming to y'all with it.
1:46:571 hour, 46 minutes, 57 secondsUm Chief, if [clears throat] we um we if and when we get the information for like a leasing program, um first of all, would you be willing to go that route?
1:47:081 hour, 47 minutes, 8 secondsUm, second of all, with the warranty and uh the um the maintenance and that would
1:47:151 hour, 47 minutes, 15 secondsalleviate from the city and you guys that would uh decrease your maintenance budget. Correct. Um that would that
1:47:231 hour, 47 minutes, 23 secondscould be you know relocated or reallotted under that's correct. I think that uh me personally um from an administrative
1:47:321 hour, 47 minutes, 32 secondsstandpoint I think the the police program is beneficial to a police department because it's a never ending ending
1:47:401 hour, 47 minutes, 40 secondsbattle. We've talked about this we talk about it every year out there just never has been a real
1:47:481 hour, 47 minutes, 48 secondsgood option on the table to do that. And so I think when you when you have these linked vehicles, they're taking on some
1:47:561 hour, 47 minutes, 56 secondsof the maintenance of it. Um I think that that helps cut some of our vehicle maintenance
1:48:091 hour, 48 minutes, 9 secondsbudget mainly because two 100 plus mile vehicles. We have one transmission uh
1:48:181 hour, 48 minutes, 18 secondsone had to have a new transmission and we had to have some work done the older Durangos that was not covered under
1:48:261 hour, 48 minutes, 26 secondswarranty. So, our vehicle mainten
1:48:411 hour, 48 minutes, 41 secondsand one more followup um with the um with with a program such said is that would the vehicles be equipped with
1:48:491 hour, 48 minutes, 49 secondseverything that you need or would there still be like equipment costs that you would So, what I've been told by both
1:48:571 hour, 48 minutes, 57 secondscompanies is you tell us what vehicle you want.
1:49:001 hour, 49 minutesYou provide us with the upfitting equipment, the equipment. Um they build all that into the prices. So when we get
1:49:081 hour, 49 minutes, 8 secondsthose prices and look at it, that yearly fee that we see, those are going to be vehicles that show up here ready to hit the road.
1:49:161 hour, 49 minutes, 16 secondsUnderstood.
1:49:171 hour, 49 minutes, 17 secondsThat's from equipment cars to the computers. That's okay.
1:49:241 hour, 49 minutes, 24 secondsOkay.
1:49:271 hour, 49 minutes, 27 secondsI just want to say I know you um just to kind of reflect back real quick on uh I know you spoke uh briefly about uh races
1:49:351 hour, 49 minutes, 35 secondsfor uh the police department uh your department staff. I'm I'm going to tell you that I appreciate you advocating for
1:49:431 hour, 49 minutes, 43 secondsyour staff. You always do. Y'all always do uh every year. But um somehow we
1:49:511 hour, 49 minutes, 51 secondsright now I don't I mean just looking at the numbers I can't see us doing um
1:49:591 hour, 49 minutes, 59 secondsum you know raises right now for the staff. Not to say that in the future that we look at that. Uh but I will say
1:50:091 hour, 50 minutes, 9 secondsthat just looking from my standpoint and kind of figuring like the salaries of um
1:50:161 hour, 50 minutes, 16 secondseveryone I uh and bringing it to the attention of the council feel like that
1:50:231 hour, 50 minutes, 23 secondsuh at this point in time you need a raise. Um I appreciate everything that
1:50:301 hour, 50 minutes, 30 secondsyou do for the city. Um, I'm looking overall at all of the salaries and I see
1:50:391 hour, 50 minutes, 39 secondsthat um looking at you um and your administrator uh Miss [name] [name].
1:50:481 hour, 50 minutes, 48 secondsUh I think she's been here serving the city for 37 years. So kind of putting
1:50:541 hour, 50 minutes, 54 secondsthose numbers together and um I guess I just need to put it out there. Um
1:51:031 hour, 51 minutes, 3 secondsthe numbers that I'm looking at that we may need to consider or look at. Um I was looking at um
1:51:121 hour, 51 minutes, 12 secondson the salaries of the chief and when y'all get a chance if y'all would get the salaries of all of the
1:51:191 hour, 51 minutes, 19 seconds[snorts]
1:51:191 hour, 51 minutes, 19 secondsu the employees. Um I would like to uh ask that we consider um making a salary
1:51:271 hour, 51 minutes, 27 secondsincrease of um $4562 an hour.
1:51:341 hour, 51 minutes, 34 secondsWell, [snorts] let me say this. I I appreciate everything you just said. Um, but as far as myself, I absolutely will
1:51:421 hour, 51 minutes, 42 secondsstand here and refuse a pay raise if we don't address the men and women that work for me because the truth is um
1:51:491 hour, 51 minutes, 49 secondsthat's almost frustrating because they're the ones that uh that are out there um getting into the creeks in the
1:51:581 hour, 51 minutes, 58 secondswater and pulling the dead bodies out, investigating the homicide,
1:52:021 hour, 52 minutes, 2 seconds[clears throat]
1:52:041 hour, 52 minutes, 4 secondspicking up unresponsive infant children, rushing them to the hospital. Um, if if I didn't have them working, um, I
1:52:141 hour, 52 minutes, 14 secondswouldn't be needed. So, I do appreciate you saying that, but I think we better focus on on the staff that make this
1:52:211 hour, 52 minutes, 21 secondscity run because if you don't, and I mean what I'm saying, if you don't address the salaries of that staff as a
1:52:281 hour, 52 minutes, 28 secondswhole, um, the city's going to find itself in a bad spot. And, um, I don't think we want to, uh, we really don't
1:52:371 hour, 52 minutes, 37 secondswith that. Um, on Miss [name] [name], that woman deserves every penny we can give her. Um, she can run that facility
1:52:451 hour, 52 minutes, 45 secondswhen none of us are there and she could actually be the first unlicensed to run that. So, uh, yeah, I'm always open to
1:52:541 hour, 52 minutes, 54 secondsgive that that woman more money. She's I I think that something we have to do as administrators or a city as a whole, we
1:53:011 hour, 53 minutes, 1 secondhave to those employees that um that have been here 25 30 35 years
1:53:101 hour, 53 minutes, 10 secondsthey're invaluable and I think we have to take care of those employees. So good.
1:53:181 hour, 53 minutes, 18 secondsAgain, I do I do appreciate those words, but um I would [clears throat] outright refuse any pay increase um
1:53:261 hour, 53 minutes, 26 secondsrespectfully um unless my men and women get a pay.
1:53:301 hour, 53 minutes, 30 secondsBut I I really like the emphasis that you put on the employees. We have some really good employees and that's so
1:53:381 hour, 53 minutes, 38 secondsimportant to the city that they don't aggravate. Kids come up and talk to them and they have a relationship and I know how invaluable that is. If you pay
1:53:471 hour, 53 minutes, 47 secondsattention to the men and women that work [snorts] over there right now and that's any city employee all of our employees are important but um
1:53:551 hour, 53 minutes, 55 secondsthis department we built up young officers I'm not interested in them and I think we need to pay attention to that because
1:54:031 hour, 54 minutes, 3 secondsthey're good with the community. The community knows them. The community is comfortable with them. I can promise [clears throat] you what happens when that next guy comes in. We don't know
1:54:111 hour, 54 minutes, 11 secondsuntil we till we meet him and we start talking to him. Um, but I think I think the ones that we have now, they they
1:54:201 hour, 54 minutes, 20 secondstruly want to be here and they truly like their job and they excel at it. So, you know, something I didn't mention, Texas Police Chief Association done a
1:54:281 hour, 54 minutes, 28 secondsstudy, it cost the city on average from 100 to $200,000 per cadet.
1:54:361 hour, 54 minutes, 36 secondsWhen you calculate what the academy costs, the time that we fail, the time that we send them back and forth in the
1:54:431 hour, 54 minutes, 43 secondsvehicle, the They spend six months, four to six months in the academy and they spend six months on FTO. By the time you
1:54:511 hour, 54 minutes, 51 secondsadd all that together, you're investing over $100,000. And if we're not paying them right and keep them around here, we're just trying and it's a never ending cycle.
1:55:011 hour, 55 minutes, 1 secondAnd typically, we do a three-year contract. Right now, we only have two employees that are under contract. So, because they they've been here long
1:55:091 hour, 55 minutes, 9 secondsenough, their contract has expired. So, I think that's something that we uh we really have to focus on. I mean, like
1:55:181 hour, 55 minutes, 18 secondsI've told my staff, I think it's important enough that if it comes to a tax increase that this council is not willing to say, we're going to
1:55:261 hour, 55 minutes, 26 seconds[clears throat] do this. I think we put it before the voters, but I think at some point um
1:55:331 hour, 55 minutes, 33 secondsthey expect us to provide services and that money has to come from somewhere when when they call they want us to be there, whether it be us or public works
1:55:421 hour, 55 minutes, 42 secondsor whoever. Um, and like I said, if it gets to a point where we look at losing eight or nine offices, somebody's got got to take the fall for that.
1:55:521 hour, 55 minutes, 52 secondsSomebody's got to be able to answer those tough questions of why don't we have a PD officer working tonight, you know, and I understand the position that
1:56:001 hour, 56 minutesput y'all in. So, obviously, I'm always open for discussion and and figuring out ways, but that's that's my opinion as your chief what uh what I need.
1:56:101 hour, 56 minutes, 10 secondsThank you. Thank you for consideration and the caring that you're showing to the officers as well as in your fleet.
1:56:161 hour, 56 minutes, 16 secondsChief, thank you.
1:56:181 hour, 56 minutes, 18 secondsYeah, I I mean I appreciate you and it's taken everything within you to to decline. I I understand because I noticed that you put your your staff
1:56:271 hour, 56 minutes, 27 secondsyour um uh staff before yourself. You always do that. I noticed that. I noticed that your staff also has good
1:56:361 hour, 56 minutes, 36 secondscamaraderie with the community uh in general. But just looking at right now,
1:56:431 hour, 56 minutes, 43 secondslooking at the budget, I can't I don't see and [clears throat] I know in the future, yes, I could I I could see that.
1:56:501 hour, 56 minutes, 50 secondsBut I can't see um taxing the um citizens, you know, uh increasing because we're already dealing with, you
1:56:581 hour, 56 minutes, 58 secondsknow, increased water rates, you know, things such as that. So, we're trying to uh juggle those issues as well. So, um,
1:57:081 hour, 57 minutes, 8 secondsyeah, I could see if if the council is talking about, you know, raising taxes or whatever to, uh, give give, um,
1:57:161 hour, 57 minutes, 16 secondsraises to the employees, I was I would suggest let the voters vote for it or or against it. That be their choice. But
1:57:241 hour, 57 minutes, 24 secondsI'm not going to be for increasing taxes or anything like that. But just to say I appreciate you. Um, I do want the
1:57:331 hour, 57 minutes, 33 secondscouncil to consider U since Chief find his. I would uh like the uh council to
1:57:401 hour, 57 minutes, 40 secondsconsider uh Miss [name] uh [name] uh uh with an increase of $29 an hour uh
1:57:491 hour, 57 minutes, 49 secondswhich will give um a salary of $60,320.
1:57:561 hour, 57 minutes, 56 secondsSo that's my request. Um I'm just looking at the salaries that
1:58:031 hour, 58 minutes, 3 secondswe're already um getting. So, I'm just asking that you all look at them as well, uh, make your decision on how we
1:58:111 hour, 58 minutes, 11 secondswe would move forward uh, with increase for Miss [name] [name] since um, Chief
1:58:181 hour, 58 minutes, 18 secondsuh, declined his, but I'm still open uh, for chief as well. So even he even though he declined, I'm still open uh to
1:58:271 hour, 58 minutes, 27 secondspresent that to council so council can decide if they want to move forward with offering him uh that uh increase as well. So thank you.
1:58:371 hour, 58 minutes, 37 secondsI just pulled up while he was talking.
1:58:391 hour, 58 minutes, 39 secondsUh police Palestine Police Department just posted they're doing a civil service in in August and they're
1:58:461 hour, 58 minutes, 46 secondsstarting pay um up to 73,692 a year. And so that's the that's what
1:58:531 hour, 58 minutes, 53 secondswe're up against, you know, that's where our talent and that's they don't have to drive far, they can still live, you know, with that question.
1:59:021 hour, 59 minutes, 2 secondsWhen I was talking to them in years past, everybody's going to do a salary study for agencies and
1:59:111 hour, 59 minutes, 11 secondscities our size. The truth is that's all fine and well, but that's not who we're losing. That's not your competition. Losing people to.
1:59:191 hour, 59 minutes, 19 secondsSo I understand that that we're looking [clears throat] at are way up here. Maybe we can't get there. I just think we have to find something. I know the based I've talked
1:59:281 hour, 59 minutes, 28 secondsto every one of my officers and show that would keep them here. Um what less negotiating
1:59:361 hour, 59 minutes, 36 secondsthey felt like that was fair. They felt like they could raise the family on that. I think it will help.
1:59:431 hour, 59 minutes, 43 secondsI was going to ask you as well. I know you pulled up the salaries for the uh the staff. What's the salary for the chief?
1:59:511 hour, 59 minutes, 51 secondsI don't think we could discuss that unless he wants No, no, no, no, no. Oh, I don't know.
1:59:561 hour, 59 minutes, 56 secondsOkay. So, that's I bet it's um No, we don't have to say I think their captain level I thought you talking about issues here, but yeah, I mean
2:00:052 hours, 5 secondsI have one of their captains was like 110 120,000 for a captain in Paling. So, so I'm sure it's
2:00:132 hours, 13 secondsokay. So, what I'm 150 plus, you know, in the neighborhood of 150.
2:00:172 hours, 17 secondsYeah. So what I was looking at was that you know with with you saying that I'm looking at that our chief is extremely
2:00:262 hours, 26 secondslow on his salary even compared to other departments uh department heads. So he's
2:00:332 hours, 33 secondshe's he's counted too in those days are the years experience that have gotten them there too. I mean it's not just like a blanket
2:00:412 hours, 41 secondsthis is what you start at. Some of them have quite a few years. So it's a reflection of not only their years, it's and their raises and their additional
2:00:492 hours, 49 secondscertification. So when you look at their salaries right at that point, you're not looking at a blank flat salary like that
2:00:572 hours, 57 secondsthey start your base. Some of them have earned that and so it's not to be taken lightly that when we talk about raising
2:01:042 hours, 1 minute, 4 secondstheir salary that they haven't earned those salaries and they on that part they do deserve and I know you've been with several departments and you've been
2:01:132 hours, 1 minute, 13 secondshere faithfully but we can't turn a bl you know you've been on that police department that many years personally
2:01:212 hours, 1 minute, 21 secondsand you've stayed with them it's a it should be reflected in your race and so we have been a So, we have been tight
2:01:292 hours, 1 minute, 29 secondsand I appreciate that you appreciate the people that work with you. Thank you.
2:01:342 hours, 1 minute, 34 secondsYeah. The um Yeah. And I I see and like and I have your years of service here with us as
2:01:422 hours, 1 minute, 42 secondswell. And this is 21 years in and probably five months. So, I appreciate that. So, that's why I still want to put
2:01:492 hours, 1 minute, 49 secondsbefore the council to consider a raise for you on your behalf. Not that we're overlooking the staff. I just want to
2:01:572 hours, 1 minute, 57 secondsmake that clear because it seems like that people are trying to point that I'm overlooking the staff. That's not true.
2:02:042 hours, 2 minutes, 4 secondsSo, it's uh I could see doing a raise in the in the near future, but at this point um dealing with our budget, I can see those two raises going forward.
2:02:172 hours, 2 minutes, 17 secondsThank you, Chief. We take a break. Take a quick break, sir. That's We're calling for a break.
2:02:252 hours, 2 minutes, 25 secondsWe don't think we know. We're going to take
2:02:342 hours, 2 minutes, 34 secondsyou
2:02:372 hours, 2 minutes, 37 seconds[snorts]
2:03:022 hours, 3 minutes, 2 secondsOh, right there.
2:03:222 hours, 3 minutes, 22 secondsI got you
2:03:592 hours, 3 minutes, 59 secondsAmen.
2:04:252 hours, 4 minutes, 25 secondsAmen.
2:04:442 hours, 4 minutes, 44 secondsI don't know.
2:06:232 hours, 6 minutes, 23 seconds[sighs]
2:06:292 hours, 6 minutes, 29 secondsThat's
2:06:542 hours, 6 minutes, 54 secondsEspecially
2:07:162 hours, 7 minutes, 16 secondsthis It is
2:07:452 hours, 7 minutes, 45 secondspossible.
2:08:012 hours, 8 minutes, 1 secondWelcome to the church.
2:08:232 hours, 8 minutes, 23 secondsYes, ma'am. You know, I don't have a pen up here.
2:08:362 hours, 8 minutes, 36 secondsYou're doing okay.
2:08:392 hours, 8 minutes, 39 secondsDoing okay. Always Yes, ma'am. We always been in harder places.
2:08:452 hours, 8 minutes, 45 secondsIt gets easier from there. So, you related to Tony? That's He's my brother-in-law.
2:08:522 hours, 8 minutes, 52 secondsOh, I'm sorry. Those two places.
2:09:062 hours, 9 minutes, 6 secondsI had to borrow your pen from Are you on countdown? Where you going? I know you got something.
2:09:202 hours, 9 minutes, 20 secondsSo, it happened in San first week you're off, you're like, "Oh,
2:09:272 hours, 9 minutes, 27 secondsman." In about two weeks, you said, "Oh, man. I just got all this time. I'm just doing something." By that month is up,
2:09:332 hours, 9 minutes, 33 secondsyou say, "Dang, how was I working so hard? I got all this to do." [laughter] And then after a while you said you can
2:09:412 hours, 9 minutes, 41 secondsdo because I couldn't believe I I was retired 14 years. I was doing stuff you know part time in between but how do you
2:09:492 hours, 9 minutes, 49 secondslose 14 years but that's how long I've been away from the school and I've done some part-time jobs but it's it's
2:09:562 hours, 9 minutes, 56 secondsamazing how it's a lot of stuff to do. I still haven't cleaned the closets. I still haven't thrown all the children old stuff out. It's just a lot of stuff.
2:10:082 hours, 10 minutes, 8 secondsBut if you think it doesn't matter what you do, don't worry yourself because it be there tomorrow in the next.
2:10:252 hours, 10 minutes, 25 secondsI would yeah put hers.
2:10:292 hours, 10 minutes, 29 secondsI want to know why you don't share a budget.
2:10:322 hours, 10 minutes, 32 secondsI gave all the refor She literally I can see them from here.
2:10:402 hours, 10 minutes, 40 secondsI just can't I can't argue in a council meeting. She can't she shouldn't put me in that position, but I will not allow her to lie.
2:10:472 hours, 10 minutes, 47 secondsMis, but I'm not going to go back and forth. No, that's a good way to challenge it.
2:10:542 hours, 10 minutes, 54 secondsYeah, it is.
2:11:042 hours, 11 minutes, 4 secondsI got some real bacon in here. A whole piece of bacon.
2:11:102 hours, 11 minutes, 10 secondsWho did the sandwiches?
2:11:142 hours, 11 minutes, 14 secondsOh, that be tacos, huh? One of the tacos. Those are really good.
2:11:202 hours, 11 minutes, 20 secondsThat's what you That's what I wanted. I didn't know these all had bacon.
2:11:232 hours, 11 minutes, 23 secondsReally good tasting sausage in there, too.
2:11:252 hours, 11 minutes, 25 secondsI prefer the sauce in my but this I saw the egg. I said I don't want it.
2:11:342 hours, 11 minutes, 34 seconds[clears throat]
2:11:402 hours, 11 minutes, 40 secondsYou know, it's really hard.
2:11:432 hours, 11 minutes, 43 secondsYou can only delight in putting people down.
2:11:502 hours, 11 minutes, 50 secondsYou have an opportunity to go to private and cleaning up what you but you want to do it publicly for the recognition.
2:12:012 hours, 12 minutes, 1 secondI was telling my girls yesterday, you know, they I was coming up on the square, they always walked out. Oh, that don't mean
2:12:082 hours, 12 minutes, 8 secondsmy you just ride up there. I said, but you do it out of courtesy.
2:12:132 hours, 12 minutes, 13 secondsYou ride out and let them see you and then they say okay. No, you just tell them move. I said, "No, no, that's not the way you handle people. I know y'all
2:12:202 hours, 12 minutes, 20 secondsspawn right and everything." They said, "Well, you know, you're the mirror. You just walk up and take it." I said, "You know, that's not the way you do things."
2:12:282 hours, 12 minutes, 28 secondsI didn't raise y'all very well, did but they they used the authority. I said, but you know authority is it's
2:12:352 hours, 12 minutes, 35 secondssoft authority is much better than force authority. Sure.
2:12:392 hours, 12 minutes, 39 secondsI said you walk up and let it be given to you.
2:12:422 hours, 12 minutes, 42 secondsI never go up in the mirror. Oh, you're the mayor. Oh, tell they know me. They know. They got idea halfway through and the little kid was telling me I was
2:12:512 hours, 12 minutes, 51 secondspaying for giving it a snow cone. He said, "You're the mayor." He said, "You know what? I'm putting this on my tab for you. I said, "You're so sweet."
2:12:592 hours, 12 minutes, 59 seconds[laughter]
2:13:002 hours, 13 minutesI said, "That's so I" I said, "You don't have to. I got my money here." He said, "No, I want to do it for you." So that's amazing. And that's how you
2:13:092 hours, 13 minutes, 9 secondsteach people how to have authority position. But if you have to tell everybody I'm a father chaos for yourself.
2:13:192 hours, 13 minutes, 19 secondsWell, you know, we're getting a lot of young kids that like politics. That's really interesting to me.
2:13:272 hours, 13 minutes, 27 secondsThey don't want to be Superman.
2:13:312 hours, 13 minutes, 31 secondsSuperman. They want to be a president or something. They all want to be the mayor.
2:13:352 hours, 13 minutes, 35 secondsDon't they do until you show them show them your salary? Huh?
2:13:412 hours, 13 minutes, 41 secondsThat little kid said Dr. [name], you must be rich. You're the mayor.
2:13:452 hours, 13 minutes, 45 secondsWhy do I get what he said? He told me that little kid told me. But he was he had the cutest
2:13:522 hours, 13 minutes, 52 secondsquie my nieces. Uncle Chris, you must be rich.
2:14:012 hours, 14 minutes, 1 secondNow that you're rich, you're on you're on city council. You got all these cars. This is this and that.
2:14:082 hours, 14 minutes, 8 secondsI say guess I I am rich, but I am not wealthy. God's good.
2:14:162 hours, 14 minutes, 16 secondsTry to tell them the difference.
2:14:172 hours, 14 minutes, 17 secondsSomebody get rich in a lot of ways, but I am clear. [clears throat] I said I am not clearing $46 a month here with the council. You'll get rich.
2:14:262 hours, 14 minutes, 26 secondsI told you that's my You can't even get your hand right now. New car prices for what they give you.
2:14:322 hours, 14 minutes, 32 secondsI mean I mean I can see go to the nail shop $7. They send you home.
2:14:412 hours, 14 minutes, 41 secondsSomebody asked me that, and I don't know if they're serious or not, but anyway, they said, "Did your pay increase when you made Mayor Pro
2:14:492 hours, 14 minutes, 49 secondsTim?" I said, "Listen, first of all, I didn't make Mayor Pro Tim." I said, "That was by default."
2:14:572 hours, 14 minutes, 57 secondsThat was by default. And no, there was no entries,
2:15:062 hours, 15 minutes, 6 secondsbut there is a people to get paid real money, ma'am. They think you get paid real money,
2:15:132 hours, 15 minutes, 13 secondsbut then the cities they do, you know, baby, they don't care.
2:15:172 hours, 15 minutes, 17 seconds[laughter]
2:15:202 hours, 15 minutes, 20 secondsOne time the other night, oh, a few weeks ago when Carol and I went out, this is love.
2:15:252 hours, 15 minutes, 25 secondsMeies and got a ribeye steak. We split it. It was $71.
2:15:312 hours, 15 minutes, 31 secondsOne one one month work here won't pay for that.
2:15:342 hours, 15 minutes, 34 secondsYou can't take Yeah. No, you can't get a So that was our only time to go do that.
2:15:402 hours, 15 minutes, 40 secondsI tell you what, food is out. What? We We ate out somewhere and it was $40.
2:15:482 hours, 15 minutes, 48 secondsIt was like a kind of buffet thing, but it's like $40. Oh, yeah.
2:15:552 hours, 15 minutes, 55 secondsAnd it went up with what? Depending on what you got on the buffet. That's right.
2:16:062 hours, 16 minutes, 6 secondsat that Chinese buffet that the guy went and told that guys in there. He said the sign says all you can eat buffet, not
2:16:132 hours, 16 minutes, 13 secondsall day buffet. [laughter] He said you eat and go home.
2:16:182 hours, 16 minutes, 18 secondsDon't like to get hungry. You know, you know, I used to have a friend they go when they were switching out the buffets like morning and evening, you know, at that point and get what you
2:16:262 hours, 16 minutes, 26 secondswant off
2:16:302 hours, 16 minutes, 30 seconds[cough]
2:16:372 hours, 16 minutes, 37 secondsLike I said, that was a real piece of not used to that much. Remember that old cowboy show now?
2:16:442 hours, 16 minutes, 44 secondsRolling, [clears throat] rolling, rolling. Keep this dogy rolling. Let's keep this rolling. I just added mine.
2:16:522 hours, 16 minutes, 52 seconds12:00.
2:16:562 hours, 16 minutes, 56 secondsI saw that bacon. I was It's 11:22. Oh yeah. And then eat the bread. No, he he cooked that for me.
2:17:072 hours, 17 minutes, 7 secondsI'm [clears throat] finish. All right. Mayor and council.
2:17:142 hours, 17 minutes, 14 secondsSo y'all's y'all are free until 5 5:00, right? No. No. Okay. No.
2:17:222 hours, 17 minutes, 22 secondsHow about noon? Yeah, that's just 30 minutes.
2:17:262 hours, 17 minutes, 26 secondsY'all feel I I mean y'all I'm I'm at y'all's I'm at y'all's uh pleasure. So
2:17:342 hours, 17 minutes, 34 seconds[clears throat]
2:17:352 hours, 17 minutes, 35 secondswhat time let's blaze through. What time is it?
2:17:382 hours, 17 minutes, 38 secondsIt's 11:20. I said let's go through 11:20. 11:20.
2:17:422 hours, 17 minutes, 42 secondsLet's do what we what what our intention was. Yeah. From here. Yeah. From this moment on.
2:17:482 hours, 17 minutes, 48 secondsOkay. So, um from this moment on,
2:17:512 hours, 17 minutes, 51 seconds[clears throat]
2:17:532 hours, 17 minutes, 53 secondswe have the budget in front of you. I'm gonna touch on just a few highlights of the budget um of the of the things that you need to
2:18:002 hours, 18 minutesknow as you're reviewing it and you want to make some notes, want to meet up with me later, um we'll do all of that. If you have
2:18:082 hours, 18 minutes, 8 secondsquestions right now, if I'm knowledgeable of the answer, I'll give it to you. If not, I'll tell you. I'm going to research it. I'll bring it back
2:18:142 hours, 18 minutes, 14 secondsto you. But, um currently on the first pages of your of your budget, um you
2:18:202 hours, 18 minutes, 20 secondshave your revenue sheets. as I spoke um have some notes here
2:18:282 hours, 18 minutes, 28 seconds[clears throat]
2:18:292 hours, 18 minutes, 29 secondson property. One of the biggest things that I'm seeing um impact our budget this year is
2:18:362 hours, 18 minutes, 36 secondsuh the state legislature gave a business personal property tax exemption uh this last uh session to businesses.
2:18:482 hours, 18 minutes, 48 secondsum they increased the exemption from $2,500 per year to $125,000 per year. So, small businesses, uh
2:18:572 hours, 18 minutes, 57 secondsrestaurants, mechanic shops, you know, just uh any small business like that that was
2:19:042 hours, 19 minutes, 4 secondsgetting a $2,500 personal property tax exemption. It got increased to $125,000.
2:19:092 hours, 19 minutes, 9 secondsSo, a lot of the taxes that they were paying, they will be exempted from it.
2:19:142 hours, 19 minutes, 14 secondsUm at least 125,000. And a lot where we're finding there's a lot of businesses that you know if say it's a lawnmowing business there zero turns in
2:19:222 hours, 19 minutes, 22 secondsa truck and a trailer it's somewhere around there you know so their property their personal property tax their equipment and machinery and
2:19:292 hours, 19 minutes, 29 secondsstuff like that went away that tax uh the property tax is being exempted a restaurant and things of that nature
2:19:362 hours, 19 minutes, 36 secondsthose property taxes are being exempted the thing with exemptions the [clears throat] thing with exemptions are not remove they they don't remove
2:19:442 hours, 19 minutes, 44 secondsthat tax they just shift it to somebody else. So, so businesses that were paying that tax and and working in it working
2:19:512 hours, 19 minutes, 51 secondsit working the tax into their bottom line, you know, as they set up fee schedules and and sell a burger or mow a
2:19:592 hours, 19 minutes, 59 secondsyard. [clears throat] That was all included. They're exempted and as a business owner, that's a really nice
2:20:062 hours, 20 minutes, 6 secondsthing. However, it just moved it to the rest of the people paying the taxes. So,
2:20:132 hours, 20 minutes, 13 secondsuh, the other businesses that have greater, um, property than 125,000, um, homeowners, fixed income, everybody else
2:20:222 hours, 20 minutes, 22 secondsgets impacted by this load that business own business owners were exempted from.
2:20:282 hours, 20 minutes, 28 secondsUm, that equates to 12 million. We have u 12 [cough] million. [clears throat] Um,
2:20:352 hours, 20 minutes, 35 secondshere, let me pull it up just so I can reference it.
2:20:412 hours, 20 minutes, 41 secondsUm [clears throat] so you have
2:20:502 hours, 20 minutes, 50 secondsin um in 2025 we had 107,000 in business um u property tax exemptions. 107,000.
2:21:052 hours, 21 minutes, 5 secondsThat's how many people were they were exempted $107,000 worth across all business owners in the city of Crockett.
2:21:122 hours, 21 minutes, 12 secondsThere was that many exemptions provided in 2026.
2:21:162 hours, 21 minutes, 16 secondsUm there's a total of 12 million uh 6 and
2:21:242 hours, 21 minutes, 24 seconds12,796 uh,000 in exemptions. If you subtract
2:21:312 hours, 21 minutes, 31 secondslast year's exemptions, you have an additional exemptions of 12,688 um that equates to current tax rates.
2:21:412 hours, 21 minutes, 41 secondsToday's tax rate that equates to $86,000 of taxes that are shifted off of the business owners
2:21:502 hours, 21 minutes, 50 secondsto the to property owners, homeowners, everybody else. I did get that yesterday.
2:21:572 hours, 21 minutes, 57 seconds[clears throat]
2:21:572 hours, 21 minutes, 57 secondsYes, ma'am. I um I got all the paper and I have a copy here. I can And so this is just this is some information as we're developing this budget.
2:22:072 hours, 22 minutes, 7 secondsProperty owners and other people taking a loan are assuming this $86,000 in additional
2:22:142 hours, 22 minutes, 14 secondstaxes. Um so so that's one one point that I wanted to um mention that as
2:22:212 hours, 22 minutes, 21 secondswe're building this budget that's going to come back up as we're doing uh we're going to be doing something called an average average um property taxes. So
2:22:292 hours, 22 minutes, 29 secondsbased on average home values, this is what you currently pay as a homeowner.
2:22:342 hours, 22 minutes, 34 secondsAnd if council decreases increases the taxes any, this is what it'll go up or down. Um, but we're going to have to factor in that $86,000 of of revenues
2:22:442 hours, 22 minutes, 44 seconds[clears throat]
2:22:452 hours, 22 minutes, 45 secondsalready, but before council even does anything, you know, so we have to that goes into the calculation. The other
2:22:512 hours, 22 minutes, 51 secondsthing is transfer of employees as promotions and license have occurred.
2:22:562 hours, 22 minutes, 56 secondswe've seen is a over the last few years more and more of our people um as M [name] mentioned and we had talked about
2:23:042 hours, 23 minutes, 4 secondsearlier the street department is very heavy um heavily centered on uh the cost
2:23:112 hours, 23 minutes, 11 secondsof concrete of of cement of of asphalt and all those costs. That's where we needed to prioritize more of our focus
2:23:202 hours, 23 minutes, 20 secondson and less of manpower [clears throat] to do the work.
2:23:252 hours, 23 minutes, 25 secondsUm especially as we get more and more quality work that is getting done. Our water department and streets department are very uh labor intensive.
2:23:362 hours, 23 minutes, 36 secondsThey will work all day long in a hole or at a leak. They'll be five, six guys digging, pumping, running equipment, putting pipes in the ground.
2:23:442 hours, 23 minutes, 44 secondsThey could work all day long for maybe a $1,000 piece of a of a pipe or or a valve to install a valve. And they it took that many people all day long.
2:23:542 hours, 23 minutes, 54 secondsWhereas on the street department, it might take four guys all day long and they could be putting down $50,000 worth of asphalt, you know. So, as and uh the
2:24:032 hours, 24 minutes, 3 secondsparks department is the same way uh with our TDC contract. Um we're very very fortunate um
2:24:112 hours, 24 minutes, 11 secondsto have that TDC uh contract. However, we have employees that are in our parks department and our streets department that are helping out just to keep on the
2:24:192 hours, 24 minutes, 19 secondsworkload of the water department. So this budget reflects transfers of this the moving those employees from one
2:24:262 hours, 24 minutes, 26 secondsdepartment that they're not as needed in to departments that they're already, you know, they're already helping out and working in those departments. That way it's proper the the labor is properly
2:24:352 hours, 24 minutes, 35 secondsloaded um and paid for. Not increasing, not hiring more people or firing more people. It's just moving them. So you'll
2:24:422 hours, 24 minutes, 42 secondssee those reflections um in in the in the budget um in front of you.
2:24:482 hours, 24 minutes, 48 secondsThe other thing that this budget is going [clears throat] Um, under advisement of of our attorneys,
2:24:552 hours, 24 minutes, 55 secondsuh, one thing that's come up is council, and I'll have, let me pull it up right here.
2:25:012 hours, 25 minutes, 1 secondcouncil. Um, by resolution when the EDC was terminated and abolished, there was a distribution of assets plan and an
2:25:092 hours, 25 minutes, 9 secondsinterlocal agreement where the city would manage the make to make sure that the sales tax that comes in for the EDC will continue
2:25:182 hours, 25 minutes, 18 secondsgoing until it's paid off all of its obligations. And there was these these are the these are the items right here that council approved.
2:25:262 hours, 25 minutes, 26 secondsum the asset the that that all funds will go towards these items here uh notice to claimants. So we had two
2:25:342 hours, 25 minutes, 34 secondsexisting um uh lawsuits we had the USDA
2:25:412 hours, 25 minutes, 41 secondsuh loan at that time there was initial in January 30th of 2025 so about a year
2:25:482 hours, 25 minutes, 48 secondsand a half ago we owed 2.3 million u we are now down to 2.2 2 million um that is
2:25:552 hours, 25 minutes, 55 secondsstill owed on there. Um so legal costs uh the remaining obligations for the building renovation uh for the provalis
2:26:042 hours, 26 minutes, 4 secondscontract that's been finalized. There's that we've we've we've uh completed all of the the the renovations required for
2:26:112 hours, 26 minutes, 11 secondsthat contract. Um bookkeeping services that would go away. EDC consultant um if you remember we had a consultant there
2:26:192 hours, 26 minutes, 19 secondsfor a little bit that went away. Um, and then we had a few contributions that council approved to prepare the EDC. Um,
2:26:282 hours, 26 minutes, 28 secondsthe uh roof that was out there, the Westbrook house, the the Mary Allen College Museum, it requires some things that need to be uh finalized, and we set
2:26:362 hours, 26 minutes, 36 secondssome money aside for that. And we set aside $20,000 in other uh maintenance obligations of the of the of the properties.
2:26:472 hours, 26 minutes, 47 secondsSince then, all of those things have been addressed, taken off the books, paid off. We now have a fund balance in
2:26:542 hours, 26 minutes, 54 secondsthe EDC of right a little over $600,000 um um outside of the current debt payments.
2:27:042 hours, 27 minutes, 4 secondsWhat we approved in the resolution that was all all proceeds um into the EDC accounts would be would go to the
2:27:122 hours, 27 minutes, 12 secondstowards that obligation. And right now the big you know the big obligation is the USDA note. We have roughly $600,000 in fund balance to to pay down that
2:27:202 hours, 27 minutes, 20 secondsnote. That will bring us down to around 1.5 1.6 million that we still owe.
2:27:272 hours, 27 minutes, 27 seconds[snorts] We have an estimate of aboutund $88,000 in sales tax revenue that's brought in by that half cent sales tax.
2:27:382 hours, 27 minutes, 38 secondsHow how much did you say again?
2:27:402 hours, 27 minutes, 40 seconds808. And that's in your budget in the proposed budget that I'm have before that 808 has to be made up
2:27:482 hours, 27 minutes, 48 secondsand each year completely spent down where there you don't have rollover fund balances. We need to pay off that debt at that rate at the at the proposed rate
2:27:562 hours, 27 minutes, 56 secondsthat we're projecting now. It may go up or go down a little bit. If it goes up more than that amount, we'll have to go into debt payment. If it's less than
2:28:042 hours, 28 minutes, 4 secondsthat amount, we'll have to adjust it down and pay whatever did come in in sales tax. Um, so you'll see that you'll see that
2:28:132 hours, 28 minutes, 13 secondsreflected in your budget. We have to at that rate it'll probably be this next fiscal year and a portion of the
2:28:202 hours, 28 minutes, 20 secondsfollowing fiscal year. I'm going to have to get legal advice on how to aortion fractional. So if we pay off half of it
2:28:282 hours, 28 minutes, 28 secondswithin a year or you know half of the proceeds of the EDC sales tax goes and that debt is paid off
2:28:352 hours, 28 minutes, 35 secondswithin that year. How do I factor in a tax rate? Because by the voters
2:28:422 hours, 28 minutes, 42 secondsany sales tax that comes in the EDC sales tax that comes in will go towards property tax rate uh relief. So the
2:28:492 hours, 28 minutes, 49 secondsentire amount is going just based on current estimates it's going to be over 20 cents
2:28:562 hours, 28 minutes, 56 secondsreduction in property taxes or the property tax rate. So we currently get about $2.2 million in property
2:29:062 hours, 29 minutes, 6 secondsuh property taxes over a third you know over a third of those taxes would be reduced in the
2:29:142 hours, 29 minutes, 14 secondsfollowing year. our tax our taxes our tax rates would go down by a third. We' we'd drop to somewhere in the 60% of the previous year.
2:29:242 hours, 29 minutes, 24 secondsSo, how that calculation has to work and how those funds are brought in, you know, we need legal advice on how to
2:29:312 hours, 29 minutes, 31 secondsproperly project those and make sure that that money is set aside in an account and goes specifically towards that. What did you say?
2:29:392 hours, 29 minutes, 39 secondsI didn't say I was going to say something. Oh, okay.
2:29:422 hours, 29 minutes, 42 secondsOkay. So um with with saying that I was looking over the CIC funds and USDA payments.
2:29:502 hours, 29 minutes, 50 secondsYes ma'am.
2:29:512 hours, 29 minutes, 51 secondsSo I was just looking and uh I highlighted where it says transfer from CIC
2:29:572 hours, 29 minutes, 57 secondsuh where it says the D on the Are you looking at our audit? Yes.
2:30:042 hours, 30 minutes, 4 secondsYes. I audit. Okay. Okay. And it says uh transfer 2,234 uh00,000 $656.
2:30:152 hours, 30 minutes, 15 secondsSo with that being said, what was that transfer for?
2:30:192 hours, 30 minutes, 19 secondsSo when council passed this resolution to terminate and to transfer all so in
2:30:262 hours, 30 minutes, 26 secondsthose assets. So there's two there's two numbers. There's an a depreciation or a an asset number. So the properties that
2:30:342 hours, 30 minutes, 34 secondsare owned, the city owns and then the debt that the EDC owns, the city now owns that debt. You know, we
2:30:412 hours, 30 minutes, 41 secondshave to pay that debt off. Um it's our responsibility to manage that debt. We have an interlocal agreement that says that the city will oversee and make sure
2:30:502 hours, 30 minutes, 50 secondsthat that debt's paid off. And so um I will present this to you before the before this budget year is finalized and
2:30:572 hours, 30 minutes, 57 secondsclosed out. and it will be reflected in your in your audit as well when the audit comes in. All of those funds will
2:31:042 hours, 31 minutes, 4 secondshave to be tracked and show that it go that it went towards paying the USDA note down and paying it down each year.
2:31:112 hours, 31 minutes, 11 secondsUm, in that resolution, it says on the and and y'all have copies of this, but I'll give you another copy if you need it. But it says the foregoing amounts
2:31:202 hours, 31 minutes, 20 secondswill be transferred to an escrow account to be dispersed as costs are incurred for the foregoing obligations um as that are related to the windup of the
2:31:292 hours, 31 minutes, 29 secondscorporation. So I will have I will show that track it. here's how much money we received this month or this past, you
2:31:362 hours, 31 minutes, 36 secondsknow, year and this is the debt that we paid off for the USDA debt that we paid off and it'll be reflected in the
2:31:432 hours, 31 minutes, 43 secondsbudget. That way you can track the activities, the amount of money that's coming in and the amount of [snorts] money that's going out.
2:31:482 hours, 31 minutes, 48 secondsSo, so um so we do have an account for the CC, right? Yes. So why why are we having to transfer it?
2:31:572 hours, 31 minutes, 57 secondsBecause it has to be cuz by resolution it has to be transferred into an escrow account.
2:32:012 hours, 32 minutes, 1 secondMhm. that those monies measures by resolution.
2:32:042 hours, 32 minutes, 4 secondsSo so all of those monies have to be captured shown as a transfer and then every dollar accounted for paying off the debt paid.
2:32:142 hours, 32 minutes, 14 secondsSo we actually really didn't have to transfer. We could have just left the monies in that account. You know, our legal advice, the legal advice from
2:32:232 hours, 32 minutes, 23 secondsour attorneys was to make a transfer into an escrow account. Whether we had to or not, that was the legal advice
2:32:292 hours, 32 minutes, 29 secondsthat we went on. Um yeah, but it's but that wasn't presented
2:32:352 hours, 32 minutes, 35 seconds[clears throat]
2:32:352 hours, 32 minutes, 35 secondswith with the legal advice. I don't know if that was presented to us um you know because taking legal advice, we just went with what was advised.
2:32:442 hours, 32 minutes, 44 secondsYeah, that's what we have to do. That's what I would I wouldn't veer off from that.
2:32:482 hours, 32 minutes, 48 secondsBut if we didn't have to do it, what what kind of legal I don't know that we didn't have to. Our legal our attorney said that we should.
2:32:552 hours, 32 minutes, 55 secondsSo I don't know. I'm not an attorney. That's what I'm saying.
2:32:582 hours, 32 minutes, 58 secondsAccording to them, that is the cleaner way to track the funds to make sure that we're not co-mingling funds. They
2:33:062 hours, 33 minutes, 6 secondshave to be a set aside escrow account to make sure [snorts] that there's no comingling and additional you know tracking required. You can see in out
2:33:152 hours, 33 minutes, 15 secondsand it should tally up. Um so um those were the items the the I guess
2:33:232 hours, 33 minutes, 23 secondsthe biggest items that as you go through this budget our f our revenue
2:33:322 hours, 33 minutes, 32 secondsour revenue line item as you see you see the
2:33:372 hours, 33 minutes, 37 secondsdifference there over last year. Um
2:33:452 hours, 33 minutes, 45 secondsthe we're contin continuing to see a small decrease each year or sometimes
2:33:522 hours, 33 minutes, 52 secondseven more than a small but a fractional decrease every year in franchise in
2:33:592 hours, 33 minutes, 59 secondsfranchise fees as we become more efficient.
2:34:032 hours, 34 minutes, 3 secondsPeople go to LEDs and to solar panels whatever. So you have electrical franchises going down as people go to
2:34:092 hours, 34 minutes, 9 secondsstreaming devices, you have uh uh dish, you know, satellite services and and dish network and all the cable
2:34:172 hours, 34 minutes, 17 secondstelevision franchise. All of those are steadily decreasing each and every year as we become as more technology comes
2:34:232 hours, 34 minutes, 23 secondsout. The the way that this is set up, I'll have certified values to present to council as soon as I receive them.
2:34:322 hours, 34 minutes, 32 secondsOtherwise, I'm just based on last year's numbers, and I'm showing a voter approval rate based on those numbers. If
2:34:382 hours, 34 minutes, 38 secondsyou go down to uh the sales tax, um what's that? The fifth line, the fifth
2:34:452 hours, 34 minutes, 45 secondsline down, sixth line down, city sales tax, the city sales tax is healthy and it continues to see a slight increase
2:34:542 hours, 34 minutes, 54 secondsyear-over-year as we're going probably to more locally sourced stuff. We are we're more online purchases. Instead of
2:35:012 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconddriving to Lufkin or Woodlands or somewhere to buy those things, we're buying them online. Those are being uh now taxed locally, which is a really a good benefit. It keeps the city healthy.
2:35:122 hours, 35 minutes, 12 secondsOther than that, um other than that, you see, yes, I would highly recommend if you're want to buy shoes or if you can find an online option, please buy it online.
2:35:222 hours, 35 minutes, 22 secondsYou're paying somebody's sales tax and why not pay ours instead of an out of town. That's cool.
2:35:272 hours, 35 minutes, 27 secondsUm, Amazon Amazon I think is our third highest tax contributor in or actually I
2:35:352 hours, 35 minutes, 35 secondsthink our second highest contribution other than Walmart.
2:35:392 hours, 35 minutes, 39 secondsSo it does help to buy 100% with Amazon instead of going to the mall somewhere else.
2:35:442 hours, 35 minutes, 44 secondsI don't like my wife but I never knew a lot of people using know it benefited us like that.
2:35:502 hours, 35 minutes, 50 secondsYes. And so those are the you see the revenues. Um, I'm continuing to work on
2:35:582 hours, 35 minutes, 58 secondsthe revenues for utilities, uh, water and sewer rates. Right now, I have last year's budgeted rates in there. We will
2:36:062 hours, 36 minutes, 6 secondscontinue closing in that number and and and making sure that we have an accurate number projected for next year. This
2:36:142 hours, 36 minutes, 14 secondsdoes not include any this does not include any rate increases to the water or sewer. This budget does
2:36:222 hours, 36 minutes, 22 secondsshow and council's going to have to, you know, we'll we'll have to account for that. But we have a 3% CPI increase for
2:36:312 hours, 36 minutes, 31 secondsgarbage and we have a 2% increase for water for purchase water from the water district.
2:36:392 hours, 36 minutes, 39 secondsWe currently, this proposed budget shows the increase. We're eating those costs for the water rates. Oh, yes. For the
2:36:462 hours, 36 minutes, 46 secondswater rates. We're not increasing water rates to pay for that. As we go through our capital requests or any colas or
2:36:552 hours, 36 minutes, 55 secondsanything of that nature, we will have to probably look at that. Well, we will definitely have to look at that if that's what we're going to do. Great question.
2:37:022 hours, 37 minutes, 2 secondsAnd but currently without any of these capital requests appropriated for in the draft budget,
2:37:102 hours, 37 minutes, 10 secondsI'm not I'm not showing any rate increases in the draft budget as well.
2:37:152 hours, 37 minutes, 15 secondsSo, however, I'm showing it on the garbage side. The garbage side passing on, we have a 3% increase from our supplier,
2:37:222 hours, 37 minutes, 22 secondsfrom our contractor, and we're showing in this draft budget a 3% increase to the uh resident. So,
2:37:302 hours, 37 minutes, 30 secondssomewhere around 20 cents, I think 26 a month. So to re reiterate [clears throat] and get clarity. So you're saying that um increasing tax
2:37:392 hours, 37 minutes, 39 secondsrates uh will not this this we will not have to increase tax rates dealing with the garbage and the water. But if we
2:37:482 hours, 37 minutes, 48 secondsconsider doing cola raises or any employee raises, we'll have to look at
2:37:562 hours, 37 minutes, 56 secondsuh increasing taxes taxes or decreasing another expense. you know, if council says, "Hey, we're going to decrease this,
2:38:042 hours, 38 minutes, 4 secondsokay, and and put that towards the cola, we either have to decrease current spending or increase a a rate to bring in
2:38:132 hours, 38 minutes, 13 secondsadditional revenue to pay for it." Um, this does in, like I said, this does include a garbage rate increase
2:38:212 hours, 38 minutes, 21 secondsdue to the rate increase from our contractor. Um but in our water and sewer um they hit us with a 2% increase. It
2:38:312 hours, 38 minutes, 31 secondscurrently does not show that being passed on to the cuts to the consumer but as we move forward with the pro with
2:38:382 hours, 38 minutes, 38 secondsa with a budget council may decide to pass that on to the consumer and it but it currently doesn't. Um so
2:38:462 hours, 38 minutes, 46 secondsthat's the revenues. um expenses um
2:38:532 hours, 38 minutes, 53 secondswe brought um from our comm I was initially my my salary line item was um
2:39:002 hours, 39 minuteswhen I was when I had stepped down to assistant uh city manager um my s my salary was being paid out of community services and development department as
2:39:092 hours, 39 minutes, 9 secondswe u brought in a finance director we brought that salary back over to our general admin budget so the you have a
2:39:182 hours, 39 minutes, 18 secondsdecrease and then it increases back to um to cover for um personnel costs uh
2:39:252 hours, 39 minutes, 25 secondsfor myself um and for our finance director. Okay.
2:39:312 hours, 39 minutes, 31 secondsUm I was looking at at that [snorts] um just looking over everything I saw where you also put in another department for an uh assistant city administrator.
2:39:442 hours, 39 minutes, 44 secondsThat was the previous budget. So that's why I'm saying that that is being transferred back over.
2:39:512 hours, 39 minutes, 51 secondsUm, and it's so we're not we don't have an assistant city administrator position that we're budgeting for.
2:39:582 hours, 39 minutes, 58 secondsOkay. What is it? You gave me
2:40:002 hours, 40 minutes[clears throat]
2:40:012 hours, 40 minutes, 1 secondyou gave me Well, I have to go back.
2:40:042 hours, 40 minutes, 4 secondsRight. You gave that to Yeah. Well, I mean, we'll look at it.
2:40:072 hours, 40 minutes, 7 secondsLike I said, um if And you put it in another department like in the what do you call it?
2:40:142 hours, 40 minutes, 14 secondsNo, it it's not it's not in there. It's not in it. U so there's no budgeted expense for an assistant city administrator.
2:40:222 hours, 40 minutes, 22 secondsUm going down to the street department, that's where the street department and parks I did transfer. So, some people
2:40:312 hours, 40 minutes, 31 secondsthat began working in the parks department that gained uh water licensing, we moved them to the parks uh to the water and sewer departments.
2:40:402 hours, 40 minutes, 40 secondsPeople that we had hired to replace them in the water and sewer departments, we brought them into the parks department.
2:40:462 hours, 40 minutes, 46 secondsThere's a little bit of savings and personnel cost there. The street department is the biggest one. We had several people that [name] and I met and
2:40:532 hours, 40 minutes, 53 secondshe he said, "[name], these guys are not these guys are working in our water and streets departments. I mean our water and sewer departments and especially
2:41:012 hours, 41 minutes, 1 secondlike when uh water lines, sewer line breaks and calls on the weekends. Uh when somebody's on call for the sewer
2:41:102 hours, 41 minutes, 10 secondsand the water department over the weekend if they were if they were budgeted out of the street department and they're eating up
2:41:192 hours, 41 minutes, 19 secondsovertime, we appropriated money for overtime in the water and sewer, but not in the streets department. But if they're coming from a street department
2:41:272 hours, 41 minutes, 27 secondssalary line item, they're also running up overtime in the street department.
2:41:302 hours, 41 minutes, 30 secondsAnd so this right here corrects those personnels. So where you have a transfer out is being brought in into the water
2:41:392 hours, 41 minutes, 39 secondsdepartment. You know, those those costs are being uh better um appropriated.
2:41:462 hours, 41 minutes, 46 secondsUm, as you see here on the street department, um,
2:41:522 hours, 41 minutes, 52 secondsthis is this current draft. As you saw up ahead on the revenues, it showed about a $71,000 additional surplus that could be appropriated.
2:42:052 hours, 42 minutes, 5 secondscouncil can appropriate that money towards some of these capital requests or appropriate more of that money towards street department maintenance
2:42:142 hours, 42 minutes, 14 secondsrepair of streets to get more streets done. Um as it is it shows 7 a $75,000
2:42:212 hours, 42 minutes, 21 secondsincrease to our street department uh maintenance and repair. So as I mentioned earlier in 24 we spent 250,000
2:42:292 hours, 42 minutes, 29 secondswe 2025 we spent 480,000 in the street department almost doubling our street department budget then we increase it to
2:42:362 hours, 42 minutes, 36 seconds574,000 this year. [snorts] This shows it projected at 650,000 next year. So,
2:42:432 hours, 42 minutes, 43 secondscontinuing to move that money into the priority of street repairs, especially as council seems to me more
2:42:532 hours, 42 minutes, 53 secondsuh aligned with moving just a little bit slower on the street department, not gaining so much ground and doing it
2:43:022 hours, 43 minutes, 2 secondscheaper. Doing more doing less chip seals and doing more asphalt, rebuilding, doing more concrete curve and gutter, slowing down enough to where
2:43:102 hours, 43 minutes, 10 secondsthat project is complete. we can walk away and that's a 20 year, you know, a 20-year streak, not a fiveyear when we need to return and do another chip sale.
2:43:202 hours, 43 minutes, 20 secondsUm, but those cost a lot of money for us to suspend that.
2:43:242 hours, 43 minutes, 24 secondsSo, gentlemen, just quick question. So, so [clears throat] the the work sheet, the budget worksheet, so you were saying that this is the itemized
2:43:332 hours, 43 minutes, 33 secondsNo, ma'am, that's not the budget worksheet. That's the activity report that I was mentioning to earlier that shows year to date every month what we spend in each category for each department
2:43:412 hours, 43 minutes, 41 secondsthat you mentioned earlier. That's that sheet.
2:43:442 hours, 43 minutes, 44 secondsOkay. But we don't that's not the worksheet.
2:43:472 hours, 43 minutes, 47 secondsOkay. So, but okay. I guess that's why I was looking at because I I don't it doesn't specify or like I said that's what I was asking about receipts. It
2:43:542 hours, 43 minutes, 54 secondsdoesn't specify what we actually purchased and it just give us overall number. It doesn't like uh material and
2:44:022 hours, 44 minutes, 2 secondssupplies. I mean, we don't know if we actually spent that on those.
2:44:052 hours, 44 minutes, 5 secondsI can guarantee you we spent it. So, all it needs is you to ask and I will pull the check register, whatever you it is you want to see those those expenses.
2:44:152 hours, 44 minutes, 15 secondsHow do you keep up with that's what we have software that does that?
2:44:192 hours, 44 minutes, 19 secondsBut each and every each and every week or two weeks, we'll cut 80 something accounts payable checks. So there's no
2:44:282 hours, 44 minutes, 28 secondsway to show you every check that we cut unless you come in and say, "Hey, I want to see, you know, this one." But it's But what I'm saying is it should on the It should be documented, right? Of course.
2:44:372 hours, 44 minutes, 37 secondsWhen you make the purchase. Yes, ma'am.
2:44:382 hours, 44 minutes, 38 secondsSo that's what I'm asking. So can we get a print out of each?
2:44:422 hours, 44 minutes, 42 secondsThere's no way to give a a print out of that much information, that much information like monthly, you know, purchases monthly.
2:44:502 hours, 44 minutes, 50 secondsIf council wants to do that, I will be glad to do that, but we'll have to let council tell me if that's what they want.
2:44:552 hours, 44 minutes, 55 secondsOkay. that month that information is always available to you though.
2:44:592 hours, 44 minutes, 59 secondsUm well, I would like it monthly. I would I don't know about the rest of Well, because I mean if council if if council
2:45:072 hours, 45 minutes, 7 secondswants a monthly check register or however y'all want that broken down, we can do that.
2:45:112 hours, 45 minutes, 11 secondsOkay. Cuz I mean um so hang on one second. Let me ask you a question. [clears throat] So you so
2:45:182 hours, 45 minutes, 18 secondslike under materials and like it says oils, gas, and grease. You want a breakdown of every dollar. If we if we budgeted $10,000, you want to you want a
2:45:282 hours, 45 minutes, 28 secondsbreakdown of every 10,000 every every penny that they spent. You want to see a receipt for every every bit of that money.
2:45:342 hours, 45 minutes, 34 secondsThe state does and the state gets it. The state gets it. We can't get it.
2:45:382 hours, 45 minutes, 38 secondsWell, I'm not saying that you can't, but we pay out.
2:45:412 hours, 45 minutes, 41 secondsI mean, that's what I'm saying. I that's what I would like. I would like to get what the state get. if the state gets a breakdown because I mean just in [clears throat] general if you're
2:45:482 hours, 45 minutes, 48 secondsworking for the state they want to for every penny accounted for. So how do we know what we're working with?
2:45:562 hours, 45 minutes, 56 secondsWe have an auditor. Hang on. We have an auditor that reviews that and if there's any dis discrepancies they bring that before council.
2:46:032 hours, 46 minutes, 3 secondsOkay. So that means that we don't look at what we're approving. We just rubber stamp it and just say whatever the
2:46:102 hours, 46 minutes, 10 secondsauditors say. I mean because you're not audit you're not auditors.
2:46:142 hours, 46 minutes, 14 secondsNo, I'm not auditing but I I do have but what I'm saying is is that we do have responsibility of the finances of the
2:46:212 hours, 46 minutes, 21 secondscity and [snorts] so to know what each department has uh or spends their money on helps us to determine how much money
2:46:302 hours, 46 minutes, 30 secondsor how much how many funds they're going to need the next year. So we don't see just say I'm going to give you an
2:46:362 hours, 46 minutes, 36 secondsexample. Um, I saw posty stamps or whatever.
2:46:422 hours, 46 minutes, 42 secondsUm, let's see. Give me an example.
2:46:472 hours, 46 minutes, 47 secondsWhat's a [name]? What's our while she's looking? What's our ballpark budget for annually? Just give me how many million? 12 million. 12 million.
2:46:552 hours, 46 minutes, 55 secondsOkay. Postage. Okay. Just like for instance, postage. Okay. You you do we spend $2,000 on postage in Absolutely.
2:47:042 hours, 47 minutes, 4 secondsin a certain department. Yeah. Yeah.
2:47:052 hours, 47 minutes, 5 secondsSo that's what I'm asking if we can find where we can make leverage on some [clears throat] of the other areas where we can find monies uh to purchase what
2:47:152 hours, 47 minutes, 15 secondsMr. [name] needs for the roads. I mean let's let me inject one thing. Sure. You're the mayor. Number one, we're not
2:47:222 hours, 47 minutes, 22 secondsmicromanaging department. You hire a department head to do your department.
2:47:272 hours, 47 minutes, 27 secondsIf they decide they want to support postage is what they need because some days they have to spin out some things they're not. there. A department head
2:47:362 hours, 47 minutes, 36 secondsought to be able to designate where they want if they're spending it on something other than what they want. But it's not
2:47:432 hours, 47 minutes, 43 secondsour job to say you can't buy postage. I mean that I mean for us to go into their budget and tell them where to spend it.
2:47:502 hours, 47 minutes, 50 secondsIt has to be a level of accountability with them. If they're spending it within their budget, if you wanted to have a conversation, that would be different.
2:47:592 hours, 47 minutes, 59 secondsBut to designate we need to take money here and put it there. We're micromanaging. That's why you have managers to do their Well, I mean, we hired that nice lady right there to do that for us.
2:48:092 hours, 48 minutes, 9 secondsThat's that's that's where I'm at.
2:48:102 hours, 48 minutes, 10 secondsThat's I mean, that's so we hired her to do that. So, I don't And I hired her.
2:48:152 hours, 48 minutes, 15 secondsHer years of experience trump mine. I I can balance my checkbook, but her years of experience as a city man or a city finance director. I'm gonna trust
2:48:232 hours, 48 minutes, 23 secondswhat she says until I till till I can't be what I would like for I I don't I'm not gonna say I'm not trusting what she says or what what it says, but I would like
2:48:322 hours, 48 minutes, 32 secondsto see it for myself. So, if she has a a print out of of the information of the of the how the item how the budgets is
2:48:402 hours, 48 minutes, 40 secondsitemized, I would love to have a copy of it. But that's what I'm saying. But my thing of it is is this is that we have a bunch have numbers here and we don't
2:48:492 hours, 48 minutes, 49 secondshave an idea of what what it's for. We don't we have numbers but we don't have exactly what the the departments are
2:48:582 hours, 48 minutes, 58 secondspurchasing and if she has that someone like me if I want to look at it allow me to see it.
2:49:032 hours, 49 minutes, 3 secondsBut I mean you're talking 12 million budget that's going to take [name] or her an astronomical amount of time to pull all those receipts to make those
2:49:112 hours, 49 minutes, 11 secondsavailable to you. Well, see the thing is a waste of our time.
2:49:142 hours, 49 minutes, 14 secondsWell, we're weren't supposed to get monthly uh uh monthly uh reports anyway.
2:49:192 hours, 49 minutes, 19 secondsSo, I mean, so we don't get monthly reports on each department, but if we did, we could keep up with that.
2:49:242 hours, 49 minutes, 24 secondsYou do. You get an activity report showing how much is spent in each department in each budget.
2:49:302 hours, 49 minutes, 30 secondsHow much overall? No, but we're not getting it.
2:49:332 hours, 49 minutes, 33 secondsYou are itemized. You are getting it itemized. You have it right there in front of you. I'm looking at it from here.
2:49:392 hours, 49 minutes, 39 secondsYou can fill out the things. That's the worksheet. Yeah. No, that's that's not the exact. So, um I'm gonna move forward. Yes, sir. Go ahead.
2:49:472 hours, 49 minutes, 47 secondsSo, here's the thing. Like I said, if we do each and every payroll or you know, twice a twice a a month when we cut
2:49:552 hours, 49 minutes, 55 secondschecks and everything, those are available. If you're like, "Hey, why are we spending 2,000?" I'll be glad to show you those receipts.
2:50:022 hours, 50 minutes, 2 secondsFor me to put that number in here, it's already been tried and true. I know that we're spending that much in postage and stamps and everything else in that
2:50:102 hours, 50 minutes, 10 secondsdepartment. If it's building in standards and we're sending out, we have to send out notices. We'll send out 60 certified envelopes to the to people
2:50:172 hours, 50 minutes, 17 secondswithin a 300 foot, you know, um in the water department, we send out 3500 uh 3,500 utility bills each month. All of
2:50:262 hours, 50 minutes, 26 secondsthose cost money, lots of money. So, all of those are tried and true. My job over the last several months has been to do exactly what you're saying. Well, if
2:50:342 hours, 50 minutes, 34 secondsthere's 2,000, are we really spending? I look and I say, are we spending 2,000?
2:50:382 hours, 50 minutes, 38 secondsYes, we are. So that needs to carry. Oh, hey, we're saving some money. We just upgraded to whatever and the costs are less over there. So that's why when you
2:50:472 hours, 50 minutes, 47 secondssee every category of expense in every department, there's 380, I believe 380 expense line items. As you look, you'll
2:50:562 hours, 50 minutes, 56 secondssee increases, decreases, flat. Hey, we're on target. It looks like we're going to stay the same next year. Or, hey, insurance has increased
2:51:032 hours, 51 minutes, 3 secondsdramatically this last year. They did re-evaluate everything. We're going to go up on that next year. Those numbers are already reflected. If any of them
2:51:102 hours, 51 minutes, 10 secondslook off off and you want to know the information, all of those, Miss [name], I I'm never I'm not deni I don't and I
2:51:192 hours, 51 minutes, 19 secondshaven't and I never will deny you information that you get as a council member. If you want to sit down, you can we have banker boxes of receipts. You
2:51:282 hours, 51 minutes, 28 secondscan look through them to your heart's content. We I I welcome you to do so, but to provide all of those into
2:51:362 hours, 51 minutes, 36 secondsspreadsheets and create more work and materials and supplies for paper and bring those to you every week, month
2:51:432 hours, 51 minutes, 43 secondsthat I don't see it as being realistic or something that but if council says that, we will gladly do that as well.
2:51:502 hours, 51 minutes, 50 secondsNow the thing the thing of it is is like I said it's is I mean we're getting numbers and we can't uh evaluate
2:51:562 hours, 51 minutes, 56 secondsactually what that department can uh uh actually need what what the need is is that's what my job is as a city manager
2:52:052 hours, 52 minutes, 5 secondsto know exactly what they need what they spent what we're trending to go over on what we need to adjust. That's why it's
2:52:122 hours, 52 minutes, 12 secondscalled a budget. It's not a hey you will never spend more than $10,000. We're projecting the next year something will
2:52:192 hours, 52 minutes, 19 secondscost 5,000 10,000 and so forth and it's my job to go through that and now I have you know we have people helping with
2:52:272 hours, 52 minutes, 27 secondsreports hey listen we're going I want a daily review on those kind of things to where we have time to say money's going
2:52:352 hours, 52 minutes, 35 secondsup going down this is where we need to make an adjustment and come to council for approvals if council gave me a budget I need to manage it and so that's what this is for
2:52:432 hours, 52 minutes, 43 secondsfor next year I've looked through this over the last several months And I've made these adjustments for y'all to look at.
2:52:502 hours, 52 minutes, 50 secondsThat was my job. Your job is to look at and if anything looks off, say, "Hey, can we meet later on? I'm wondering why we're spending that $2,000 in in
2:52:572 hours, 52 minutes, 57 secondsstamps." Be glad to show you and I'll show you exactly where it's gone and why it's 2,000.
2:53:022 hours, 53 minutes, 2 secondsUm, I really could, you know, cuz otherwise you don't need me. You don't need me.
2:53:082 hours, 53 minutes, 8 secondsYou don't need a finance director. Y'all can run this city yourself. Actually, actually, we we need you, you know, if you would, we need you if you know and
2:53:172 hours, 53 minutes, 17 secondsyou're aware of what we're spending in those departments to you.
2:53:222 hours, 53 minutes, 22 secondsUm, like I said, we need an itemized list of what those uh departments, which is why why I show that to you.
2:53:282 hours, 53 minutes, 28 secondsYeah. So, we need So, you're you're basically just give I keep saying you're just giving We really need to move on. That's not even
2:53:362 hours, 53 minutes, 36 secondsYeah. You're trying to But I'm just telling you because I mean that's what I'm saying is that you're just giving us numbers and you're not giving us details about what expenses.
2:53:442 hours, 53 minutes, 44 secondsBut what kind of details do you need?
2:53:482 hours, 53 minutes, 48 secondsWhat I mean it's we don't have he's just he's basically given us numbers.
2:53:562 hours, 53 minutes, 56 secondsSo I think but my question is this is my question my question this this this going to be my question is that okay since that uh [name] has um went through
2:54:042 hours, 54 minutes, 4 secondslooked at everything why are we even having a workshop if he's bringing us uh and he's already looked at all the numbers and he's thinking that
2:54:122 hours, 54 minutes, 12 secondseverything is approvable why are we having a workshop to approve that's what I'm saying so he wants to make a decision but you've already made
2:54:202 hours, 54 minutes, 20 secondsthe decision there's no decision made no decisions have been made This is a presentation.
2:54:262 hours, 54 minutes, 26 secondsMayor and council, I feel that we've gotten off topic and we need to realign.
2:54:302 hours, 54 minutes, 30 secondsNo, we are aligning. We on No, we need to realign. We need to realign on what our agenda is. Agenda is on the workshop.
2:54:362 hours, 54 minutes, 36 secondsNo, that is that's not our agenda right now. That's not our agenda right now.
2:54:422 hours, 54 minutes, 42 secondsSpeaking that wasn't what we agreed to to move forward to item.
2:54:492 hours, 54 minutes, 49 secondsI wait let let me just at this point at this point we're going over topic and I think councilwoman has fully stated what
2:54:572 hours, 54 minutes, 57 secondsher concerns are and at this point we're just going over an overview of what has been projected. This is an opportunity for everybody to reflect and from the
2:55:062 hours, 55 minutes, 6 secondsprojection and if it we're going to have another one. This is just the organizers tell everybody everything has been pulled from their department. It and
2:55:142 hours, 55 minutes, 14 secondsthis is a true representation because it goes through the audit and can verify that that's where the money is and where
2:55:212 hours, 55 minutes, 21 secondsit was spent. The direct line by line items are not spelled out in this portion of it. and is he's uh a
2:55:302 hours, 55 minutes, 30 secondsbusinessman has already offered that he he's given her what she's asked in terms of it. So what we're on to right now is
2:55:382 hours, 55 minutes, 38 secondsmoving to the to the format. What we're going to follow are the things in order.
2:55:432 hours, 55 minutes, 43 secondsThese are the things that in order is it something that you want to do and that's what we're working with. So I think it it's been clearly explained at this
2:55:522 hours, 55 minutes, 52 secondspoint and we do have before us the numbers and we're not doing the specific item by item, but we have the number
2:56:002 hours, 56 minutessection by section that they're evaluated in the as the auditor is going to go in and evaluate them.
2:56:082 hours, 56 minutes, 8 secondsAnd I'm making myself available for each every one of y'all individually. If any of y'all want to see individually more
2:56:152 hours, 56 minutes, 15 secondsin detail, obviously that information is fully available.
2:56:192 hours, 56 minutes, 19 secondsWe have it all on file and it and it can be shown. Um, so you saw the street department, the decrease of 115,000
2:56:272 hours, 56 minutes, 27 secondstotal. Um, on page three, you have the parks department with the parks department, a decrease of $5,900
2:56:352 hours, 56 minutes, 35 secondsuh total in expenditures. Um, each one of these departments, anywhere that I can find some money to shave
2:56:422 hours, 56 minutes, 42 secondsdown, because there's some inevitably some things that have increased. So, a little bit of contingency here or a little bit of fluff. I've gone through
2:56:502 hours, 56 minutes, 50 secondsand really looked at it to make sure that we can't take some money. And I and you'll see those every one of those subtractions, there are monies saved.
2:56:592 hours, 56 minutes, 59 secondsMoney's pulled out of those line items.
2:57:012 hours, 57 minutes, 1 secondAnd where we can't, we've added we've added those line items and it's reflected here. Um the police department,
2:57:092 hours, 57 minutes, 9 secondsthey have a total of $4,592 um decrease in their expenditures.
2:57:152 hours, 57 minutes, 15 secondsHowever, you see over here to the side in comments, um there's a few things specific more some of it's on the
2:57:242 hours, 57 minutes, 24 secondscapital request side. Um and we'll do the same thing when we get to the water and sewer on the capital request, but
2:57:322 hours, 57 minutes, 32 secondsum there was some increases in lease equipment that was asked for um
2:57:402 hours, 57 minutes, 40 secondsthe um the computers, the software, the subscriptions.
2:57:452 hours, 57 minutes, 45 secondsThat's the number that it really needs to be at where you're seeing that $103,000 in annual fees and equipment for
2:57:522 hours, 57 minutes, 52 secondssubscriptions and fees. Um the the new a new line item that we've um added this year that was a request with um police
2:58:002 hours, 58 minuteschief was department ammunition. Um so before it was taken out of his travel and training and materials and supplies
2:58:092 hours, 58 minutes, 9 secondsbudget. So if you have materials and supplies, you'll see, you know, in there there'll be some ammunition costs here.
2:58:152 hours, 58 minutes, 15 secondsDue to the amount of cost and the increase on, you know, qualifying each and every quarter or however often y'all
2:58:232 hours, 58 minutes, 23 secondsqualifying the amount of ammunition, he's asking for a specific line item on that. So you see that number. So I do need so you know that 70,000 that could
2:58:322 hours, 58 minutes, 32 secondseasily be eaten up by some of those costs there. Um, and so, you know, I need some the things that I knew that are going up and down that we have
2:58:412 hours, 58 minutes, 41 secondsreally no say so over like electricity, gasoline, things of those natures. We move those new items.
2:58:482 hours, 58 minutes, 48 secondsThose are things that needed a little bit of council input. Not tonight, not today, but it needs to be looked at. Um
2:58:562 hours, 58 minutes, 56 secondsthe fire department, the biggest increase there was um we were told this year that we needed to adjust uh we were
2:59:052 hours, 59 minutes, 5 secondspaying for a part-time employee at 24 hours a week. We were told that we
2:59:122 hours, 59 minutes, 12 secondsneeded if it's anything over 20 average, you know, we needed to pay for
2:59:192 hours, 59 minutes, 19 secondsuh retirement. Retirement needed to be contributions need to be made for that employee. You see that? And you also see
2:59:262 hours, 59 minutes, 26 secondsthis year, as you see in y'all's books, there's been a reassessment of all city values on um buildings and equipment
2:59:342 hours, 59 minutes, 34 secondsstuff. They haven't So, if we told them that city hall is going to cost a million dollars, say in 2005 to, you
2:59:422 hours, 59 minutes, 42 secondsknow, when we went under TML, today it's going to be way more than a million dollars, right? So they go they
2:59:502 hours, 59 minutes, 50 secondswent in and did a an assessment of all city facilities. So in insurance costs you'll see the rates didn't necessarily
2:59:572 hours, 59 minutes, 57 secondsgo up but the assessment values did the valuations to replace it in current day val uh in current day values. Um so that
3:00:073 hours, 7 secondsthose two costs were the greatest contributor on the fire department and you see an an increase of 19,000. uh
3:00:143 hours, 14 secondscommunity and development services, you see um a decrease of 5,700 for year year-over-year budget. All of these
3:00:233 hours, 23 secondsdepartments I'm going through and trying to find places that we can shave, cut costs, and um to bring that number down
3:00:323 hours, 32 secondsbecause I'm trying to do it this year to where we don't have to go to a voter approval rate or if we do, I want those costs going to salaries salaries.
3:00:403 hours, 40 secondsI want those costs going to to the cost of living.
3:00:443 hours, 44 secondsUm the expenditures for sanitation department that's the cost that's a 3% increase in um customer cost over the
3:00:513 hours, 51 secondscontract. It's a it's a one 1 million42,000 uh budget for
3:01:003 hours, 1 minutefor the garbage um over last year's 1 million1,000.
3:01:063 hours, 1 minute, 6 secondsThe library you see a decrease of 185,000.
3:01:113 hours, 1 minute, 11 secondsUm the mechanic shop you see an increase of 13 um of 1317.
3:01:173 hours, 1 minute, 17 secondsUm some of those were making some corrections to uh workers comp and um and salaries that was not a prop
3:01:253 hours, 1 minute, 25 secondsproperly appropriated for last year but that doesn't increase that doesn't include any salary increases.
3:01:323 hours, 1 minute, 32 secondsthe civic center.
3:01:353 hours, 1 minute, 35 secondsUm the biggest hit that we got there, we have a $13,000 overall budget increase for the civic center. Um and the big and
3:01:433 hours, 1 minute, 43 seconds16,000 of that is an increase to insurance. They really hit us hard on the valuation on the civic center. It
3:01:493 hours, 1 minute, 49 secondswas well undervalued according to the today's replacement costs and that
3:01:573 hours, 1 minute, 57 secondsthey really pushed that number up. So that that went up our insurance went up for the civic center by 16,600.
3:02:043 hours, 2 minutes, 4 secondsUm and so I've made some cuts elsewhere in the budget and brought it down to an overall cost of 13,000. Then you have
3:02:133 hours, 2 minutes, 13 secondsthe EDC obligations. You see that breakdown there that we're going to what I'm going to do for council before we
3:02:203 hours, 2 minutes, 20 secondsfinalize that line item. basically those the the three unmet obligations that we
3:02:263 hours, 2 minutes, 26 secondshave not finalized yet plus the USDA note is written into this budget. What will happen though if we've like say
3:02:353 hours, 2 minutes, 35 secondslegal expenses we've already spent some of those legal expenses um attorney expenses. So that $20,000 budget will decrease and that money will go towards the USDA debt.
3:02:473 hours, 2 minutes, 47 secondsSo the overall number is accounted for. Um, I'll get you a more itemized number of
3:02:543 hours, 2 minutes, 54 secondsthis is what we appro we appropriated 20,000. We spent 12,000. So, we're going to leave 8,000 in it for next year.
3:03:023 hours, 3 minutes, 2 secondsOkay. And what's the project?
3:03:053 hours, 3 minutes, 5 secondsuh legal expenses, the office roof repair, the uh sophet and uh trim repair
3:03:123 hours, 3 minutes, 12 secondsfor the Westbrook house, and I have $20,000 in maintenance that could go towards more than likely the Westbrook House or any of the property cleanups.
3:03:213 hours, 3 minutes, 21 secondsThere's some culverts that need to be installed. Some of those things we can try to address before the city starts spending its own money on the EDC
3:03:303 hours, 3 minutes, 30 secondsproperties, but all of those will be itemized and brought to council. council will have to approve any of those expenses.
3:03:353 hours, 3 minutes, 35 secondsNow, my question, so that those are extra expenses that are coming out of the EDC's account as per the resolution that council and
3:03:443 hours, 3 minutes, 44 secondsum Okay, I just want to remind the council that, you know, we we're only supposed to be paying the debt and not obligations, not the debt, the debt.
3:03:543 hours, 3 minutes, 54 secondsThese these line items that are put in here are because they're in that resolution that council and the law prescribed. I didn't put anything else else that else in there.
3:04:043 hours, 4 minutes, 4 secondsSo the water department budget um you have an overall decrease. I really
3:04:133 hours, 4 minutes, 13 secondsI feel less confident about the water and sewer department budgets because some of the items that we normally keep
3:04:213 hours, 4 minutes, 21 secondsin there for repair and water m or you know water line uh repairs or say replacing for instance an
3:04:303 hours, 4 minutes, 30 secondsexample we're over there doing road construction on Darius this past week we got a collapse around a manhole manhole
3:04:373 hours, 4 minutes, 37 secondsstarted caving at the bottom until we started moving the dirt everything was okay. Now, we ran into the need for a a new manhole. We have to pull all that
3:04:453 hours, 4 minutes, 45 secondsold that was not something that I I was expecting manhole on Darius things of those natures. We had two line items
3:04:523 hours, 4 minutes, 52 secondsthat would address water mane replacement and sewer line uh sewer line or sewer manhole repairs replacement that I
3:05:003 hours, 5 minutesreally had to cut down those budget numbers in order to make this budget work and fit without a [clears throat]
3:05:083 hours, 5 minutes, 8 secondswater rate increase because we're passing we're eating this water rate increase from the district without a water rate increase to the
3:05:153 hours, 5 minutes, 15 secondscustomers. So, we're taking it out of plan, you know, um contingent repairs to manholes or water line repairs or things of that nature.
3:05:243 hours, 5 minutes, 24 secondsSo, it's still a it's still a, you know, a balanced budget. It funds itself, but we do run risk that in
3:05:333 hours, 5 minutes, 33 secondsthe during the middle of the year, I may have to come back to you and say, "Hey, there's [clears throat] no money in the budget for this and it really needs to happen. So, we need to pull from fund
3:05:403 hours, 5 minutes, 40 secondsbalance." This budget prior to this allowed for, "Hey, we need a new manhole. put it out of that, pull it out of that line, had them go buy that manhole and get it installed.
3:05:493 hours, 5 minutes, 49 secondsSo, the $90,000 we budgeted for contingency, would that come out of It shouldn't um cuz that's water. This is water and sewer.
3:06:003 hours, 6 minutesUh the 90 the 90,000 you're talking about is in the general fund contingencies. So, what are we using that for?
3:06:053 hours, 6 minutes, 5 secondsContingency. Whatever comes up during during the year as council says, "Hey, let's pay for that." Well, then that's where that money comes out of.
3:06:153 hours, 6 minutes, 15 secondsSo, for instance, right now charter the charter legal costs for the charter review that council approved, you know, that's
3:06:233 hours, 6 minutes, 23 secondscoming out of contingency. Those items are as council approves come out of contingency.
3:06:283 hours, 6 minutes, 28 secondsOkay. So, that's what I'm asking. So, with with those water issues because that that could come out. It shouldn't.
3:06:353 hours, 6 minutes, 35 secondsIt shouldn't because for the water and sewer, it should come out of its own fund. It should come out of water and
3:06:423 hours, 6 minutes, 42 secondssewer money, not tax, not property revenues.
3:06:463 hours, 6 minutes, 46 secondsThat you have a general fund and a utility fund. It's best to come out of the utility fund.
3:06:513 hours, 6 minutes, 51 secondsUm, and we have basically, if you look down there in in um on page 11,
3:07:003 hours, 7 minutesabout a third a quarter of the way down, it says water water main replacement projects. You know, last year
3:07:083 hours, 7 minutes, 8 secondswe decreased it. that really for proactive we should that should be increased.
3:07:163 hours, 7 minutes, 16 secondsYou know, last year we had money in there for a $35,000 vehicle that would pay maybe for one of our used vehicles
3:07:243 hours, 7 minutes, 24 secondsthat I requested in our capital request, but I had to remove that line item and not fund it in our, you know, kind of like the police department. They were
3:07:323 hours, 7 minutes, 32 secondswanting to add where every year we buy a new vehicle. Yeah, that's you know that's what would be nice for the departments that are vehicle heavy,
3:07:403 hours, 7 minutes, 40 secondsa lot of manpower. [snorts] It'd be good to have one of those included every year. This one does not include it on this on the the water department. The
3:07:483 hours, 7 minutes, 48 secondssewer department on the last uh page uh page 12, sewer main replacement projects. I I decreased that from
3:07:553 hours, 7 minutes, 55 seconds100,000 to 45,000 for sewer main replacement [clears throat] projects. Um like I say, those are all projections. I don't know
3:08:033 hours, 8 minutes, 3 secondswhat I'll run, you know, we I don't know what we'll run into next year, but you have a little bit of money set aside to
3:08:103 hours, 8 minutes, 10 secondswhere when we do need that manhole because it collapsed and the roads shut down, we have the fund we pull it out of that.
3:08:173 hours, 8 minutes, 17 secondsAnd so that contingency, so to speak, is decreased, you know, pretty significantly.
3:08:223 hours, 8 minutes, 22 secondsYes. So what I'm asking is because I've noticed that the um we've got 90 what?
3:08:283 hours, 8 minutes, 28 seconds$90,000. So, so general fund contingency.
3:08:323 hours, 8 minutes, 32 secondsUh, so we still can use that as we need it as the city fit need.
3:08:383 hours, 8 minutes, 38 secondsYou can. Yes, ma'am. Especially more on the that should be more on the general fund. If the [snorts] fire department comes to you and says transmission blew
3:08:463 hours, 8 minutes, 46 secondsout on our engine and trans, you know, big things they run into a they have a a wreck and maybe a vehicle's total. Big
3:08:533 hours, 8 minutes, 53 secondsthings that happen. we would pull that out of contingency um to pay for those items that are not budgeted for throughout the year.
3:09:003 hours, 9 minutesOkay. Because I just noticed that it just it increased and I was just wondering that we already have something. No, it didn't.
3:09:083 hours, 9 minutes, 8 secondsOkay. Cuz I see in 2024 it was No, I'm talking about from last year. I
3:09:153 hours, 9 minutes, 15 secondsdon't know. Maybe may we may have decreased it um by a budget amendment that council approved to move it from contingency at that time.
3:09:263 hours, 9 minutes, 26 secondsUm okay, that gives you a draft overview of this budget. I'm available. We can meet
3:09:333 hours, 9 minutes, 33 secondsand drill into more specifics. Um the other items that I would like to
3:09:423 hours, 9 minutes, 42 secondscouncil to give a little bit of direction on to where we know I don't want to spend the next couple of weeks working on
3:09:503 hours, 9 minutes, 50 secondsthis. And then council says, "Yeah, we're not even going to entertain that." What are some of the items that we talked about in capital request? Some of
3:09:583 hours, 9 minutes, 58 secondsthe items that council says we support you digging in, bringing back uh you know, quotes, bringing back
3:10:063 hours, 10 minutes, 6 secondsoptions, options to fund because then I need to come back to council and say, "Okay, well, like you know, uh we have this much sitting in contingency. We're
3:10:153 hours, 10 minutes, 15 secondsgoing to pull contingency numbers down and move it over to here. Um I presented y'all um a couple week a week last week,
3:10:223 hours, 10 minutes, 22 secondsyou know, a spreadsheet of our fund balances. If council says, "Listen, let's appropriate this year to meeting these capital requests,
3:10:313 hours, 10 minutes, 31 secondsfire hose, um this, that, and the other. Let's appropriate this much money. Let's free up this much money out of fund balance
3:10:403 hours, 10 minutes, 40 secondsto pay for these capital requests." you have the numbers of the fund balances.
3:10:453 hours, 10 minutes, 45 secondsUm, those are those are saved for purposes like this.
3:10:513 hours, 10 minutes, 51 secondsIt's not it's not money that we want to readily spend. We need to keep strong fund balances to keep our credit ratings
3:10:583 hours, 10 minutes, 58 secondsup and um for purposes of budgeting throughout the year um if big unforeseen things happen, we need to have fun
3:11:053 hours, 11 minutes, 5 secondshealthy reserves. Um but it's there. um as well as the 70,000 that you see
3:11:133 hours, 11 minutes, 13 secondsin um you know surplus revenues if we were to go up to the voter approval rate. Um
3:11:223 hours, 11 minutes, 22 secondsif that's something that C council will consider. So some of the some of the things that I would like y'all can present them in forms of several motions
3:11:313 hours, 11 minutes, 31 secondsif you want. One thing that I would like is are y'all for or overall against
3:11:383 hours, 11 minutes, 38 secondsentertaining a voter approval rate and that and that amount of uh revenue coming from the voter approval rate. I'm
3:11:463 hours, 11 minutes, 46 secondsnot asking you to approve any uh rate increase tax rate increases.
3:11:503 hours, 11 minutes, 50 secondsAre you forwarder guess? But do you want to fund some of these needs, especially like the operational needs, um the
3:11:573 hours, 11 minutes, 57 secondsyear-over-year expenses? Uh some of the ones that I think are fairly are I guess about as justifiable as any are some of
3:12:053 hours, 12 minutes, 5 secondsthe increases to the police department's expenses.
3:12:083 hours, 12 minutes, 8 secondsUh like they're budgeted expenses, not not the capital requests like you know the the vehicle or things of that nature, but their budget expenses. Um
3:12:173 hours, 12 minutes, 17 secondsyou see the different um departmental Every one of my departments, every one
3:12:243 hours, 12 minutes, 24 secondsof the departments, they decreased this year. We had to really shrink in our overall expenses.
3:12:313 hours, 12 minutes, 31 secondsOne to stay on target with the amount of revenues that we have coming in
3:12:383 hours, 12 minutes, 38 secondsand we're hoping, you know, we hope that we can find money for some raises, some kind of an adjustment. The big the big
3:12:473 hours, 12 minutes, 47 secondsadjustment that we the big relief that we have coming in a
3:12:553 hours, 12 minutes, 55 secondscouple years from the EDC property tax rate relief.
3:12:593 hours, 12 minutes, 59 secondsThat's when we'll really feel the impact to our property taxes and our our owners, the people that pay property taxes. Right now, it's a tough time to
3:13:083 hours, 13 minutes, 8 secondssay we're going to decrease taxes or, you know, so I really want council to give me some some leeway.
3:13:173 hours, 13 minutes, 17 secondsOne, do y'all want me to, as I'm working and billing this budget, do you want me to continue considering the V, the voter approval rate, the three and a half
3:13:253 hours, 13 minutes, 25 secondspercent increase to revenue? That doesn't necessarily mean a three and a half% increase to your uh taxes, your
3:13:323 hours, 13 minutes, 32 secondstax bill. Um, but I will have more of those numbers that I can bring back to y'all. Um,
3:13:413 hours, 13 minutes, 41 secondsyou know, I guess I wouldn't I wouldn't be disagreeing to it because um you you basically would leave it up to the voters.
3:13:503 hours, 13 minutes, 50 secondsNo. um that so if we want to go over that oh
3:13:573 hours, 13 minutes, 57 secondsthat's the amount um that council can do without having to uh trigger an election or call for a vote you know call for an
3:14:053 hours, 14 minutes, 5 secondselection if if there was a significant amount like you know was presented today the cost of living adjustment council says you know
3:14:143 hours, 14 minutes, 14 secondswhat let's look at 5% or 10 whatever number y'all want those will trigger uh going over that V.
3:14:233 hours, 14 minutes, 23 secondsWell, will the three and a half make a difference?
3:14:263 hours, 14 minutes, 26 secondsI think the three and a half will fund all of our budgetary needs without risking.
3:14:353 hours, 14 minutes, 35 secondsIt will not fund capital requests and it will not fund a c a cola, a cost of living, the three and a half% that will address
3:14:433 hours, 14 minutes, 43 secondssome of the needs um specifically for the police department, the ammunition,
3:14:493 hours, 14 minutes, 49 secondsum the for the uh uh computers, the department issued cell phones, some of those items that have become a need,
3:14:583 hours, 14 minutes, 58 secondsbut it would give you the flexibility to go to step two to address those specific needs, right? By Yes. Yes, ma'am.
3:15:083 hours, 15 minutes, 8 secondsYou know, by re reallocating what's in your budget now and looking it around yourself, it would make it
3:15:163 hours, 15 minutes, 16 secondsyou know, we know I It is old. I mean, that's it. And but in spite of being
3:15:233 hours, 15 minutes, 23 secondsold, it's growing. I I mean, just looking at the little holes that are popping, I know our streets and stuff are
3:15:313 hours, 15 minutes, 31 secondswe're challenged. Every time a street is touched, some other big hole open, storm water, drain, everything.
3:15:383 hours, 15 minutes, 38 secondsJust I live on Southport. Just looking at the changes and I hear them people hit that big hole every day and I feel sorry. I hope it didn't bust something
3:15:473 hours, 15 minutes, 47 secondselse. I've seen little wheels fall off the cup. I got picked up by four hub cups in the last week. I mean, but that's all over. And so
3:15:563 hours, 15 minutes, 56 secondsthe broken hydrant in front of your house, it's been there.
3:15:583 hours, 15 minutes, 58 secondsThat would come out of like that water mane replacement line, you know, and so as we shave down of those, if somebody runs off the road and hits something
3:16:063 hours, 16 minutes, 6 secondsunforeseen items, we're getting tighter and tighter.
3:16:103 hours, 16 minutes, 10 secondsYeah. It's it's it's it's really it's a it's and but I know not just mine, but it's just a high pop area. I just hear it every day how much so I know I'm not
3:16:193 hours, 16 minutes, 19 secondsthe only one hitting it so it's aesthetic but I was just saying in terms of what we could do to address because I
3:16:283 hours, 16 minutes, 28 secondsevery time you fill one hole in an older city and the streets are looking better but we know it's roads we've never I we
3:16:363 hours, 16 minutes, 36 secondswe didn't even know they existed they back in the back and people because they said come look Dr. officially come ride me. I don't I said I'm give you a
3:16:443 hours, 16 minutes, 44 secondscounselor person night. She invite me and I will and we'll ride. I [laughter] said, but so we are we have we do have
3:16:513 hours, 16 minutes, 51 secondssome major needs, but I think if we could do a three and a half% I hate paying tax like everybody else, but I do
3:17:003 hours, 17 minutesknow that at the end of the day, it's it's more equally spreaded that way because I'm finding out more and more
3:17:073 hours, 17 minutes, 7 secondspeople are getting property now. Uh they're buying property and so it's it's
3:17:143 hours, 17 minutes, 14 secondsbeing spreaded more equally across. I mean you can just look at the what who's how much is being bought that we don't
3:17:213 hours, 17 minutes, 21 secondshave every time a sale go somebody's buying it. So I think that is a good source of consideration.
3:17:293 hours, 17 minutes, 29 secondsUm and then we juggle.
3:17:333 hours, 17 minutes, 33 secondsSo how comfortable do y'all feel about that? Is it are you comfortable enough that you want to entertain a motion that we discuss
3:17:423 hours, 17 minutes, 42 seconds[snorts] it and we bring those numbers back?
3:17:453 hours, 17 minutes, 45 secondsI want to, you know, I want to feel fairly strong that I have y'all support on that. I'm not wanting to talk about some
3:17:543 hours, 17 minutes, 54 secondsand, you know, uh, build a budget around something that you come you come back and say, "Nope, we're not we're not talking that." Um, right. I'm just giving an an opinion.
3:18:073 hours, 18 minutes, 7 secondsY'all know I'm very opinionated. Uh, at this time I I don't I'm not I'm not interested in [clears throat] entertaining and looking at Yeah.
3:18:183 hours, 18 minutes, 18 secondslooking at an increase on taxes for Okay.
3:18:283 hours, 18 minutes, 28 secondsBut you said Okay. Um, you said any not even I won't bring any kind of tax, right?
3:18:343 hours, 18 minutes, 34 secondsEither the three did they see he said he could do so much before the vote of approval up to no higher than no higher than the voter approval rate.
3:18:423 hours, 18 minutes, 42 secondsWell, until I actually just let me look at it again. Yes, ma'am.
3:18:453 hours, 18 minutes, 45 secondsLet me review it again. Mr. Put everything else and come back.
3:18:503 hours, 18 minutes, 50 secondsSo, at this time right now I'm not I'm not uh in agreement with increasing or using
3:18:583 hours, 18 minutes, 58 secondsapproval. I understand. So what we're doing at at this time someone that feels strongly or
3:19:053 hours, 19 minutes, 5 secondsin the direction or whatever we need to make a recommendation about how you want to go with this because if not we'll meet the next week and be at the same
3:19:133 hours, 19 minutes, 13 secondspoint next time be at the same um well well mayor and counel I would like I would like to make a motion that
3:19:203 hours, 19 minutes, 20 secondsum that [name] does move forward with looking at the numbers and everything to bring it back to council so we could proceed on discussion.
3:19:323 hours, 19 minutes, 32 secondsSecond.
3:19:343 hours, 19 minutes, 34 secondsOkay. We have a motion. It's been moved and second question. Um, and so this is just basically allowing him to go look at the numbers. Yes.
3:19:443 hours, 19 minutes, 44 secondsAnd bring it back for discussion. Correct. Okay. So, we're not approving anything.
3:19:503 hours, 19 minutes, 50 secondsOkay. Any other questions? We're ready for the vote. All in favor?
3:19:583 hours, 19 minutes, 58 secondsThank you council.
3:19:593 hours, 19 minutes, 59 secondsUm the so the next few items y'all can do it in form of one one at a time time
3:20:063 hours, 20 minutes, 6 secondsor all together. Um which items do y'all want me to try to um look at funding
3:20:143 hours, 20 minutes, 14 secondsin the capital request? Um we have the fire department uh fire hose that we talked about.
3:20:233 hours, 20 minutes, 23 secondsYes.
3:20:243 hours, 20 minutes, 24 secondsUm, we have in the police department kind of kind of how I took it, but I may be wrong, but patrol rifle be um equipment was probably the number one.
3:20:353 hours, 20 minutes, 35 secondsUm, and that was at that was at I think it was 20 20 right around 20
3:20:423 hours, 20 minutes, 42 seconds20,025 and then uh a ve vehicle.
3:20:543 hours, 20 minutes, 54 secondsUm, like I said, these items would come from either fund balance or um that's still with the police.
3:21:013 hours, 21 minutes, 1 secondThat's with the police department. Um and then we have the UBT the drone.
3:21:113 hours, 21 minutes, 11 secondsUm I um I did um so how would I go about putting that into the capital request on the raises for Chief and Miss [name]?
3:21:223 hours, 21 minutes, 22 secondsWell, it would actually be under Would you looking at that and bringing bring it back to us as well?
3:21:313 hours, 21 minutes, 31 secondsI think we need to look at raises for the officer.
3:21:343 hours, 21 minutes, 34 secondsI mean, it would be so it's a kind of mix.
3:21:363 hours, 21 minutes, 36 secondsSo, that would be a cola request, would it not?
3:21:393 hours, 21 minutes, 39 secondsYou know, be a tax increase.
3:21:413 hours, 21 minutes, 41 secondsI think it'll be up to council to decide how y'all want to manage this discussion. That's y'all's decision to make. If if it's done in a form of a
3:21:493 hours, 21 minutes, 49 secondsmotion outside of these other directives, um you know, if it gets and y'all want it to bring those numbers back, then
3:21:573 hours, 21 minutes, 57 secondsI'll do that. Um, if y'all want to do the capital request first and address those and then we can address cola.
3:22:053 hours, 22 minutes, 5 secondsSo, we need to do that today.
3:22:073 hours, 22 minutes, 7 secondsI I want some directives of what y'all want me to entertain in the form of a motion.
3:22:143 hours, 22 minutes, 14 secondsYes, sir. I would like to know council's support in which direction to try to gain um
3:22:223 hours, 22 minutes, 22 secondsnumbers come back and if y'all say hey I want to look at at least this much in a cola or I want only a cola for the police department or only a cola for the
3:22:323 hours, 22 minutes, 32 secondspolice chief or you know or adjustment or whatever those the council is going to have to give me those directives but then I'll bring back the numbers of what it actually costs. Could I have chief?
3:22:413 hours, 22 minutes, 41 secondsCould I have chief to step back up please? Chief, would you please?
3:22:463 hours, 22 minutes, 46 secondsHis recommendation would like Now, chief, I know your recommendation in your in your budget request was 25%.
3:22:533 hours, 22 minutes, 53 secondsUm, is that in anywhat negotiable? Sure. Obviously, we'll always negotiate.
3:23:003 hours, 23 minutesTypically, what I do is, you know, when I get some insight from the council like I take that back. Yes.
3:23:193 hours, 23 minutes, 19 secondsYes. Negotiate.
3:23:233 hours, 23 minutes, 23 secondsUm, so [name], could we negotiate numbers and see have you like run numbers and bring that back to council and see what
3:23:313 hours, 23 minutes, 31 secondsthose numbers are are acceptable if they are acceptable to what not. So,
3:23:403 hours, 23 minutes, 40 secondsso how would Yes. Yes, sir.
3:23:423 hours, 23 minutes, 42 secondsSo, how is this this for all city employees? Yes.
3:23:463 hours, 23 minutes, 46 secondsMinus minus the department heads that I mentioned in the request. Yes. Yes, sir. But including police and fire. Including police and Yes.
3:23:543 hours, 23 minutes, 54 secondsYes, sir. So, how would I how would I motion that?
3:23:583 hours, 23 minutes, 58 secondsWould that would that just needed to be to entertain and bring back numbers on and you give me a window, you know? Okay.
3:24:063 hours, 24 minutes, 6 secondsYou give me a window. Like I said, I showed you numbers for a 10%.
3:24:103 hours, 24 minutes, 10 secondsSo, I would say that was just based on the 2022 numbers and inflation since then.
3:24:143 hours, 24 minutes, 14 secondsIf y'all want that amount, here's the total amounts of what it's going to hit each department. Here's how it's going to be spread out to utilities
3:24:213 hours, 24 minutes, 21 secondsand water and okay, general fund, department cost, you know, so I can bring those numbers. Okay.
3:24:293 hours, 24 minutes, 29 secondsSo, so um so I would like to I would like to move to um for for a city
3:24:373 hours, 24 minutes, 37 secondsadministrator to run um run numbers and negotiation with the city for cola and
3:24:443 hours, 24 minutes, 44 secondsbring those back to council pending approval.
3:24:493 hours, 24 minutes, 49 secondsI question.
3:24:543 hours, 24 minutes, 54 secondsSo I'm just trying to get clarity that. So you're saying that um you're
3:25:013 hours, 25 minutes, 1 secondasking for him to go out bring numbers back to us so we can discuss Yes, ma'am. the coal raises. Yes, ma'am.
3:25:083 hours, 25 minutes, 8 secondsOkay. Which will Okay. In in turn inform us on what we what direction we would like to go.
3:25:143 hours, 25 minutes, 14 secondsOkay. Which will in turn Okay. Before we vote, I have a question.
3:25:193 hours, 25 minutes, 19 secondsChief, it's my understanding y'all don't have y'all don't do certificate pay right now.
3:25:243 hours, 25 minutes, 24 secondsY'all don't do certificate pay right now. We back in 22.
3:25:383 hours, 25 minutes, 38 secondsWe have not not put that back in place yet.
3:25:433 hours, 25 minutes, 43 secondsProbably one of the only operating
3:25:513 hours, 25 minutes, 51 secondsthat proficiency.
3:25:543 hours, 25 minutes, 54 secondsSo, I I would ask that if we did along with the 10% cola that we we try to include that back cuz like you said, I don't know a law enforcement agency that
3:26:023 hours, 26 minutes, 2 secondsand and if y'all don't know, they they got to have certifications per t.
3:26:063 hours, 26 minutes, 6 secondsI did not I didn't I wouldn't even understand that why you wouldn't even be paid for your certifications.
3:26:103 hours, 26 minutes, 10 secondsSo, and it's and it's dependent on level you have basic and intermediate, advanced and masters. in there. We did
3:26:173 hours, 26 minutes, 17 secondsnot we did not add for basic. We started at intermediate. So [clears throat] intermediate, advanced and master. So
3:26:273 hours, 26 minutes, 27 secondsthree instead of four kind of all inclusive of that. So it wasn't just you know basics. They're usually the first
3:26:363 hours, 26 minutes, 36 secondsfirst year officer just getting started that intermediate and up.
3:26:423 hours, 26 minutes, 42 secondsSo that could be in discussions after we get numbers and whatnot. Right. Correct.
3:26:473 hours, 26 minutes, 47 secondsYeah. If that's if that's how council feels they they want those numbers. Um public works, all of our water license,
3:26:543 hours, 26 minutes, 54 secondsum wastewater license, none of those certifications, CDLs. We don't pay for those certifications currently.
3:27:003 hours, 27 minutesUm but are those certifications required? Yes, sir.
3:27:063 hours, 27 minutes, 6 secondsWater and wastewater um are and they're paid out they're paid out of the pockets of the employees.
3:27:143 hours, 27 minutes, 14 secondsUh no, we There's no certification paid. There's no incentive paid. No mean like you paid for the course.
3:27:213 hours, 27 minutes, 21 secondsThat that's what I was getting at. So the courses are paid for but they don't get an extra bonus for taking the course. I understand.
3:27:283 hours, 27 minutes, 28 secondsSo it's not that that they have to b have a burden of it is uh but they would they have the knowledge.
3:27:363 hours, 27 minutes, 36 secondsWell, let me ask this though. Are those once you get those certifications are they it's a oneanddone certification? No, it requires annual CE to maintain.
3:27:443 hours, 27 minutes, 44 secondsSo it's a couple it's like the fire and I mean the fire department same thing they have the m they have their mast's advanced
3:27:513 hours, 27 minutes, 51 secondsintermediate uh certification levels and required CE it's pretty much all the so department parks department not as
3:27:593 hours, 27 minutes, 59 secondsmuch but it's just the other I know I know the TCO like if you're if you're a basic if you're a basic and you don't get your intermediate license within four years all those classes that
3:28:073 hours, 28 minutes, 7 secondsyou have to take you have to take them again the next four years and so we're paying for classes over and over and what all they have to do is just get their certificate and be bumped up. Then they don't have to take them.
3:28:183 hours, 28 minutes, 18 secondsSo that's what I was I mean we're you have cops that have you know that have been cops but they're a basic they're repeating those same classes every year
3:28:263 hours, 28 minutes, 26 secondsbecause TCO manage they mandate those classes.
3:28:293 hours, 28 minutes, 29 secondsSure. So that's why I was I mean like he said I I don't know of a law enforcement she doesn't get paid you know for certificate paid and I don't know I can't speak to the the wastewater and
3:28:383 hours, 28 minutes, 38 secondsthe firemen like I said I'm never running it's very similar you know the you have annual C that's required and it's required by law TCQ will write us up if
3:28:463 hours, 28 minutes, 46 secondswe don't yeah so with that being said so do y'all so can y'all y'all uh certificate pay is that allowed in y'all's budget or y'all
3:28:553 hours, 28 minutes, 55 secondsjust not currently in our budget the budget that I presented to Mr. I built that in for a a request, so to speak.
3:29:023 hours, 29 minutes, 2 secondsOkay. For a request, but it could be placed in y'all's budget. Yes. Yeah. You're asking could it be? Yeah. I'm asking.
3:29:103 hours, 29 minutes, 10 secondsYeah.
3:29:113 hours, 29 minutes, 11 secondsBecause that that's something that's going to reoccur every year. It's not just, you know, like a one time each year [clears throat]
3:29:183 hours, 29 minutes, 18 secondsincrease, right?
3:29:213 hours, 29 minutes, 21 secondsSo, it'll be not just increase to you and your budget, but it will be an increase to the overall city every year.
3:29:293 hours, 29 minutes, 29 secondsfor every officer. Yeah.
3:29:313 hours, 29 minutes, 31 secondsI mean, even when you get your So, you still have to upgrade continuously.
3:29:373 hours, 29 minutes, 37 secondsThe upgraded is not that the city is not picking up the cost for it's almost like with any service offers training.
3:29:443 hours, 29 minutes, 44 secondsYou have to go to training.
3:29:463 hours, 29 minutes, 46 secondslike council was saying, you know, at their basic level they're required to there's certain classes that they're
3:29:533 hours, 29 minutes, 53 secondsrequired by the state to get until they get outside of that basic proficiency level, they have to continue to retake
3:30:013 hours, 30 minutes, 1 secondthose classes. So, the idea is [clears throat] to push them through and push as much training um to to get them up to that that level.
3:30:113 hours, 30 minutes, 11 secondsNow, with your proficiency level, that's that's a It calculates on how many hours of training you have plus your years of
3:30:183 hours, 30 minutes, 18 secondsservice. So you don't just get so many hours of training and automatically get bumped up to intermediate, advanced or
3:30:263 hours, 30 minutes, 26 secondsmasters. You also it also has to calculate years of service and so that
3:30:333 hours, 30 minutes, 33 secondsyou know the days of free training start to get slim. A lot of your training classes now average anywhere from $500
3:30:393 hours, 30 minutes, 39 secondsto $1,000 per option. Um not to include your travel your hotel expenses
3:30:463 hours, 30 minutes, 46 secondshotel travel and I think our budget's 12,000 for 16 employees it gets pretty tight sometimes so
3:30:553 hours, 30 minutes, 55 secondsthey're all required to get at least 40 hours in so
3:31:033 hours, 31 minutes, 3 secondsokay we have a motion and a second on the to bring back numbers on cost of living okay we have It's on the floor.
3:31:143 hours, 31 minutes, 14 secondsYes. Mhm. Motion and second. Oh, okay. All in favor?
3:31:233 hours, 31 minutes, 23 secondsOppose. Did you oppose?
3:31:283 hours, 31 minutes, 28 secondsDid you oppose a vote? Would you say all voted?
3:31:323 hours, 31 minutes, 32 secondsAre you for um bringing back numbers on the cost of living? Sure. Okay.
3:31:393 hours, 31 minutes, 39 secondsOkay. Um, and so the last last item, uh, and if y'all want to, y'all can include,
3:31:473 hours, 31 minutes, 47 secondslike I said, in the formal motion, but just to bring back to y'all's recollection, um, the fire department.
3:31:533 hours, 31 minutes, 53 secondsUm, do y'all want me to try to find placement in the budget, fire department, um, police vehicle, patrol
3:32:013 hours, 32 minutes, 1 secondrifle? Um, me personally, I would like to recommend only a broom, not the I
3:32:093 hours, 32 minutes, 9 secondsthink for the projects that we do, we try to stack them as closest to possible and we just continue renting the padfoot
3:32:173 hours, 32 minutes, 17 secondsroller. Um, but I feel like a broom is probably the biggest need throughout the entire year and
3:32:253 hours, 32 minutes, 25 secondsprobably the biggest return on that investment. Um, the broom is one. Um, and then I really need to find financing
3:32:333 hours, 32 minutes, 33 secondsmoney options for our our water tower and our clarifier. Yeah.
3:32:403 hours, 32 minutes, 40 secondsSo, I would like council to guide me and you know, really the rest of them that are in your budget book,
3:32:483 hours, 32 minutes, 48 secondslike I said, I presented them as a need, but I think financially there's just no way to swing each and every one of them. So if we have to
3:32:563 hours, 32 minutes, 56 secondscategorize those, I would ask at least for support for against those items.
3:33:003 hours, 33 minutesI know the water tower is uh because we need they had to cut that one off last week because of price.
3:33:073 hours, 33 minutes, 7 secondsIt's still off. Um our east tower is off offline right now. We can't afford to let them deteriorate.
3:33:123 hours, 33 minutes, 12 secondsYeah. Well, I'll make a motion that um we allow you to do the research on the numbers on all of the items that you just just mentioned.
3:33:223 hours, 33 minutes, 22 secondsOkay.
3:33:233 hours, 33 minutes, 23 secondsI'll second that. I guess we moved and second any discussion. I I do have one thing, [name]. When you look at seeing what it will cost to finance a broom instead of buying it out.
3:33:313 hours, 33 minutes, 31 secondsYes, I will. Yeah. Yes.
3:33:323 hours, 33 minutes, 32 secondsBecause if we can, like you said, if we can get just to that 2-year when we get out of the underneath that EVC, then we can pay it off. But I think if we just see what it costs, see what it costs to finance one.
3:33:413 hours, 33 minutes, 41 secondsSure. [snorts] And see, I mean, it may not be worth it, but I'd like that if you don't mind.
3:33:453 hours, 33 minutes, 45 secondsAnd for the water tower, I would like to see um like local versus I think like you said the business that we had to do it. Yeah.
3:33:533 hours, 33 minutes, 53 secondsUm, I would like to see those comparisons.
3:33:563 hours, 33 minutes, 56 secondsThere's um I know when we did it last time, we brought in I want to say 15 there was 15 quotes on that one. So, I have a lot of vendors to pull from.
3:34:073 hours, 34 minutes, 7 secondsAnd yeah. Okay. Ready for the vote? All in favor?
3:34:153 hours, 34 minutes, 15 secondsOppose. Okay. motion here.
3:34:223 hours, 34 minutes, 22 secondsI'd like to make a a motion. I think just uh just reverting back. I would like to place a motion on the floor
3:34:293 hours, 34 minutes, 29 secondswhere the car is or not um to also have [name] to bring back numbers uh on behalf
3:34:353 hours, 34 minutes, 35 secondsof police chief and um Miss [name] um pay increase.
3:34:443 hours, 34 minutes, 44 secondsUh just the police chief or both fire chief and police chief.
3:34:473 hours, 34 minutes, 47 secondsThe police chief right now I didn't look at the fire chief. Oh, I they're the same pay as the pay. They have both both of them have pay parity
3:34:563 hours, 34 minutes, 56 secondsas you're making they're both doing the same pay. Yes, ma'am.
3:35:003 hours, 35 minutesCuz see I I was working on that last night cuz I just got the salary for the fire department. So I would So I would
3:35:073 hours, 35 minutes, 7 secondslook at Well, that's case I would look at the the fire chief um the police chief and Miss [name]
3:35:153 hours, 35 minutes, 15 seconds[name]. You can bring that u that information back. Just the numbers.
3:35:283 hours, 35 minutes, 28 secondsYou had a motion.
3:35:313 hours, 35 minutes, 31 secondsYou said we have we have a motion, but we just need to Yeah, I said we have a motion on the floor. Nobody responded.
3:35:413 hours, 35 minutes, 41 secondsOkay. So, for lack of a second, it dies. Okay. Thank you.
3:35:483 hours, 35 minutes, 48 secondsOkay. Thank Thank you, council. I know is this is probably the the bigger chunk and we'll we'll uh
3:35:563 hours, 35 minutes, 56 secondsfine-tune it and our next meeting uh will not be I hope near as lengthy, but it'll be just re visiting. We do have a couple two more.
3:36:083 hours, 36 minutes, 8 secondsSorry, we have two agenda items on there. What did I miss? Okay, I thought that was it. Number three and number four. Number three.
3:36:163 hours, 36 minutes, 16 secondsWhere are we now?
3:36:173 hours, 36 minutes, 17 secondsNumber three. I I put my paper up. I'm like them kids. I done closed my book.
3:36:213 hours, 36 minutes, 21 seconds[laughter]
3:36:223 hours, 36 minutes, 22 secondsI got I've been hearing my children all weekend. I have nothing left. Children and grandchildren love. We had too much fun. Which one were we on? Oh, okay.
3:36:323 hours, 36 minutes, 32 secondsGoing to number three now.
3:36:343 hours, 36 minutes, 34 secondsOh, item number three. Consider and approve participation in the Texas 21 program, including payment of membership
3:36:423 hours, 36 minutes, 42 secondsdues and authorized travel expenses for designated delegates and appoint city of Crockett representative.
3:36:503 hours, 36 minutes, 50 secondsMayor and council, um this is a text 21 uh program. They are a collaborative of
3:36:573 hours, 36 minutes, 57 secondsmany government uh government um organizations.
3:37:023 hours, 37 minutes, 2 secondsUm they have a board that they appoint every year uh to represent the effort.
3:37:093 hours, 37 minutes, 9 secondsThere's several efforts um several uh US uh interstate efforts that they're working on. One of them is US 287
3:37:193 hours, 37 minutes, 19 secondsuh which uh we had um a senator this just a couple months ago draft the
3:37:283 hours, 37 minutes, 28 secondsresolution trying to uh get some traction for an interstate um for US 287. That's where text 21
3:37:373 hours, 37 minutes, 37 secondscomes in as most, you know, that's where that's what we're interested in is that that effort of the TE21 program, the US
3:37:453 hours, 37 minutes, 45 seconds287 initiative. Um, their annual membership for a city of our size is um $2,500 a year.
3:37:553 hours, 37 minutes, 55 secondsUh that money um pays for the cost associated with um supporting efforts,
3:38:033 hours, 38 minutes, 3 secondsputting uh putting studies together, reports, proposals,
3:38:103 hours, 38 minutes, 10 secondstalking and lobbying senators and representatives, congressmen, uh movers and shakers in our primarily
3:38:183 hours, 38 minutes, 18 secondsour federal government to try to get support for the 287 corridor uh project.
3:38:243 hours, 38 minutes, 24 secondsUm there are cities um up and down the 287 corridor that are members of this. Um
3:38:333 hours, 38 minutes, 33 secondsalong with it they have at least twice a year they have conference they have meetings um where they have speakers
3:38:403 hours, 38 minutes, 40 secondscome they invite some of these uh representatives from our state and federal government to get support on it
3:38:473 hours, 38 minutes, 47 secondsto to get more knowledgeable and to to get some traction on it. um as well as they have uh monthly and quarterly uh
3:38:563 hours, 38 minutes, 56 secondsZoom meetings and updates on this project.
3:39:013 hours, 39 minutes, 1 secondUm so I I need counsel we did pay for it.
3:39:053 hours, 39 minutes, 5 secondsUm council at this time we were going to um at least attend the meeting that they
3:39:123 hours, 39 minutes, 12 secondshad last month and so we had to pay we paid for I I did pay for out of our travel and training budget. Um, I paid
3:39:223 hours, 39 minutes, 22 secondsfor one year's of dues um for the current years that we're in. And I guess
3:39:283 hours, 39 minutes, 28 secondsprimarily to gain um appreciation of whether it's a benefit, whether it's something that council should support or not um and attendance. Um,
3:39:383 hours, 39 minutes, 38 secondsand so I just need I guess well it was brought it was brought to council in a form of a motion that we we discuss it
3:39:463 hours, 39 minutes, 46 secondsand approve whether we continue membership and and so there's there's three items
3:39:533 hours, 39 minutes, 53 secondsreally in this next motion that I that I hope to get from this.
3:39:583 hours, 39 minutes, 58 secondsDo we continue paying the $2,500 a year for the for uh participation in the Tech21 program? Um, do we include uh
3:40:083 hours, 40 minutes, 8 secondstravel expenses for designated delegates? It's a little bit different to attend these other than like like travel and training like going to classes, gaining CE and stuff like that.
3:40:193 hours, 40 minutes, 19 secondsIt's more of a negotiate.
3:40:213 hours, 40 minutes, 21 secondsIt's more of a lobbying effort, representation effort, but on behalf of the city um to [clears throat] attend these meetings. It's not something
3:40:283 hours, 40 minutes, 28 secondsthat's necessarily required. It's more of a um do we believe this is what we should be spending our our money on? And then um also appoint representatives.
3:40:393 hours, 40 minutes, 39 secondsThey typically request for one primary and one or two alternates um representatives for the city. So
3:40:473 hours, 40 minutes, 47 secondscan we discuss this before before there's a motion or not? Oh, we're not really supposed to. Okay.
3:40:533 hours, 40 minutes, 53 secondsUm if a motion is made and second, then we can discuss.
3:40:583 hours, 40 minutes, 58 secondsOkay. Oh, but it's I guess in in the in the motion that I'm asking, we can participate
3:41:073 hours, 41 minutes, 7 secondsuh uh and pay the membership dues. Um do we travel on behalf of the city um to
3:41:153 hours, 41 minutes, 15 secondsthe to their u meetings? Last meeting was in Dallas, I believe, or was um sometimes it's in Bowmont, sometimes
3:41:233 hours, 41 minutes, 23 secondsit's in Amar. It follows the 287 corridor. So, sometimes it's in Granberry.
3:41:293 hours, 41 minutes, 29 secondsuh you know just different locations and then um uh appointment of representatives for the city
3:41:363 hours, 41 minutes, 36 secondsjust just to be clear they also offer online as well. Yes. Yes ma'am.
3:41:423 hours, 41 minutes, 42 secondsI just that's what I mentioned they do the zoom meetings so you don't have to attend all the meetings and that's why I want three I want I mean attend all of the travel meetings.
3:41:513 hours, 41 minutes, 51 secondsThat's why I want those three points captured in in the form of a motion.
3:41:573 hours, 41 minutes, 57 secondsWhat do we How do we You want Crockett to participate?
3:42:043 hours, 42 minutes, 4 secondsWell, mayor and uh mayor and council, I would like to move that we appoint the
3:42:123 hours, 42 minutes, 12 secondsdesignatees um for uh is it text 21? Is that what
3:42:193 hours, 42 minutes, 19 secondsit's called? Yeah, text 20 for the text 21 [clears throat] program. I move that we um
3:42:263 hours, 42 minutes, 26 secondsthat we uh that we only that we attend the uh virtual trainings and only attend
3:42:333 hours, 42 minutes, 33 secondsthe travel trainings that are that we that are required or basically mandated
3:42:413 hours, 42 minutes, 41 secondsum if if that and um I I motion that we um continue to pay the annual fee.
3:42:503 hours, 42 minutes, 50 secondsDo you want to in that motion? Who do you want to uh who do you want to nominate as a representative?
3:42:563 hours, 42 minutes, 56 secondsI thought we already nominated somebody as a representative. We didn't nominate Miss [name].
3:43:013 hours, 43 minutes, 1 secondNo, this is the first time it's come to council.
3:43:053 hours, 43 minutes, 5 secondsSo in in in that motion as well, I would like to nominate um the mayor, Miss
3:43:123 hours, 43 minutes, 12 seconds[name], and um Mr. during if he would accept gladly as alternates.
3:43:203 hours, 43 minutes, 20 secondsYes. Okay.
3:43:263 hours, 43 minutes, 26 secondsUm that's the motion. That is the motion. Yes. Okay. All in favor? Not second. No. I mean, can I get a second?
3:43:343 hours, 43 minutes, 34 secondsIt's getting late.
3:43:353 hours, 43 minutes, 35 secondsI'm trying to get out of here. I second it. Okay. It's been moved and second.
3:43:433 hours, 43 minutes, 43 secondsDiscussion discussion discussion [laughter] discussion. Yes. Yeah, we got discussion. Okay.
3:43:483 hours, 43 minutes, 48 secondsThe discussion [clears throat] uh you know when it comes to this where was it where was the idea conceived for
3:43:563 hours, 43 minutes, 56 secondsuh an interstate actually the guy that spoke well I don't he spoke to me a long time.
3:44:043 hours, 44 minutes, 4 secondsNo no no I'm not talking about us. I'm talking about the original idea for an interstate. Well, I the one that was
3:44:123 hours, 44 minutes, 12 secondspushing it, well, she talked more with it than I did. Um, he was it wasn't it
3:44:193 hours, 44 minutes, 19 secondswas a senator when they appealed to the senator that said that the transportation and route and the it was done as a traffic control thing. They
3:44:283 hours, 44 minutes, 28 secondssaid it would take the weight off of 21 and uh but it wasn't it wasn't on a it was on a
3:44:363 hours, 44 minutes, 36 secondsworking level that it was done that appealed to the senator that was pushing it based on with text dot about what would be the most efficient.
3:44:443 hours, 44 minutes, 44 secondsSo so text dot is involved.
3:44:473 hours, 44 minutes, 47 secondsYes. Yeah. They they were wanting to see the most efficient so that they would know where to build and expand.
3:44:533 hours, 44 minutes, 53 secondsOkay. So, it's about an interstate and and this is nothing against anyone. I've I've just been muddling this over in my mind
3:45:023 hours, 45 minutes, 2 secondsand and all of y'all are wonderful people and even if you'd have put me on it, but who of us knows about highways?
3:45:113 hours, 45 minutes, 11 secondsI'm learning.
3:45:123 hours, 45 minutes, 12 secondsI've been attending that's I've been okay. So that's what that's that's the benefit of the
3:45:203 hours, 45 minutes, 20 secondsand and uh is it is it a need?
3:45:253 hours, 45 minutes, 25 secondsWell, the highway 287 is coming this way. So what they're saying is how's it coming this way?
3:45:323 hours, 45 minutes, 32 secondsWhether whether we're involved or not, if we're okay, whether we're involved or not, my understanding is they could
3:45:393 hours, 45 minutes, 39 secondsdivert it. I mean, I I'm not just because we weren't involved. They were trying to get a they're trying to get a straight route
3:45:463 hours, 45 minutes, 46 secondsso they could travel from one end and and have so in order to do that they got to get the easements.
3:45:533 hours, 45 minutes, 53 secondsIt's kind of like they did they have some okay the last meeting the point I'm the point I'm trying to make [clears throat] if if it is
3:46:023 hours, 46 minutes, 2 secondsdog in a fight. If it is a bonafide need, why are they sucking more money out of
3:46:103 hours, 46 minutes, 10 secondsout of these little cities, uh, you know, if it's a bonafide need, why why are they imposing upon us, uh, and and try to get us involved?
3:46:213 hours, 46 minutes, 21 secondsProbably you could say something and they may listen to you, but more than likely the engineers would take that with a grain of salt.
3:46:303 hours, 46 minutes, 30 secondsBut I think the way he was speaking, a lot of it is going to affect the smaller town. It's going to kind of circumvent them so that you they're going to be involved in a
3:46:393 hours, 46 minutes, 39 secondsway that they are going to be kind of go around them and they won't be going through them because of the way that it is. But
3:46:483 hours, 46 minutes, 48 secondsall right, but you can go is is it's killing Dyball. They're looking at it's killing Kan. Oh, is that where you're going? Okay. And it's going to kill some other towns.
3:46:563 hours, 46 minutes, 56 secondsOkay. On 69. Not I'm not talking about 287.
3:47:003 hours, 47 minutesTalking about 69, the the new interstate over there.
3:47:063 hours, 47 minutes, 6 secondsAnd and probably no matter what any of those people in that city did, they still were not going to come through there, they're going to they're
3:47:143 hours, 47 minutes, 14 secondsgoing to circumvent circumvent.
3:47:173 hours, 47 minutes, 17 secondsSo I'm just saying we we'll probably spend this money and you may oppose this. We probably spend
3:47:253 hours, 47 minutes, 25 secondsthis money every year and in the scope of things uh uh it does amount to hill
3:47:323 hours, 47 minutes, 32 secondsof beans. It's going to be done the way text do wants it done but you and it's going to go where it's going to go. Yeah.
3:47:393 hours, 47 minutes, 39 secondsI'm just I understand and yeah and it is kind of but I do we we use 21 straight to I mean I [snorts] use it a lot so I I [clears throat] do understand.
3:47:483 hours, 47 minutes, 48 secondsWell it's 287 I'm 287 and then it's and then it's going to touch somewhere there. I I mean he explained it but the
3:47:553 hours, 47 minutes, 55 secondskey thing about this this is not a life and come if we get enough we can say enough.
3:48:013 hours, 48 minutes, 1 secondI mean we see that it's not going the way that we want it to go. I'm sorry.
3:48:063 hours, 48 minutes, 6 secondsBut the but the thing but uh the thing of it is is like the economic uh value that we're looking at at the like
3:48:133 hours, 48 minutes, 13 secondswhat I'm saying our little committee and that $2,500 is not going it's not going to egg it on or stop it.
3:48:203 hours, 48 minutes, 20 secondsNo. But you have other cities that that that comes together. They're at that meeting and they have in and have input.
3:48:273 hours, 48 minutes, 27 secondsSo I'm just wondering though, what input could we have?
3:48:313 hours, 48 minutes, 31 secondsOkay. So what I what you know what we have what we'll have to do is we will have to let you speak with with David so you can get detailed information, Mr.
3:48:413 hours, 48 minutes, 41 secondsDavid Dean. he can give you more detailed information that to all the questions that you're asking because I'm just now but no what I'm saying is could you Mr.
3:48:513 hours, 48 minutes, 51 secondsCould you [clears throat] offer him Okay.
3:48:543 hours, 48 minutes, 54 secondsCould you offer him any intelligence on it?
3:48:573 hours, 48 minutes, 57 secondsWell, actually I actually I've asked him to come in and do a presentation. Actually, that's what I was requesting.
3:49:043 hours, 49 minutes, 4 secondsI'm not That's fine and good, but but could you or anyone else offer him any information that he would receive on it?
3:49:133 hours, 49 minutes, 13 secondsYes, Mr. D. Mr. Davis. Well, okay.
3:49:163 hours, 49 minutes, 16 secondsHere's Well, this is with us. Here's my two cents on it.
3:49:223 hours, 49 minutes, 22 secondsFederal government being the federal government, if they want to put a highway in from Bowmont to Amarillo, it doesn't matter what Crockett says or they're going to put it in. It doesn't
3:49:293 hours, 49 minutes, 29 secondsmatter about our $2,500. My only concern and Mr. [name], I thank you for nominating me. And if that's what the council decides to do, I'll happily be a
3:49:363 hours, 49 minutes, 36 secondsdelegate. I'm I'm I'm opposed to it because we're sat right here and told that man that we couldn't give his people a raise because of our budget was
3:49:433 hours, 49 minutes, 43 secondsso tight and we're going to spend $2,500 to this project and it's going to be 20 years before it comes through.
3:49:503 hours, 49 minutes, 50 secondsFurthermore, we're going to have three delegates that are going to be sent to Dallas or Grapevine or Bulmont and that's [clears throat] gone. Yeah, I think it's alternate.
3:49:583 hours, 49 minutes, 58 secondsOkay, just one. We'll say one for two or three days and any because I travel a lot in my job and you're talking about food and hotel and everything else.
3:50:053 hours, 50 minutes, 5 secondsThere's another probably close to $1,000 by the time you get back. And if you have to go cuz there's probably going to be mandatories going to go twice a year.
3:50:123 hours, 50 minutes, 12 secondsThere's 2,2500.
3:50:153 hours, 50 minutes, 15 secondsWe're in almost $5,000 that that man right there needs for his training budget for his police officers that is required by the state. Here's the thing.
3:50:233 hours, 50 minutes, 23 secondsI want economic development for Crockett. I I think we need the business. I I really do. But I don't think at this point in time, we're at the infancy of this project that we need
3:50:313 hours, 50 minutes, 31 secondsto be involved. I think we need to pass on it. I think we need to put our resources to something else and build Crockett up. Now, if it starts to get
3:50:403 hours, 50 minutes, 40 secondscloser and the government says it's going to come through, then sure, we can jump on. But until then, our purse strings [snorts] are tight as it is. And to me, I think we could better spend
3:50:483 hours, 50 minutes, 48 secondsthat money somewhere else inside this community.
3:50:513 hours, 50 minutes, 51 secondsWell, the situation with that is he just stated that that that those funds are coming out of our travel and training.
3:50:573 hours, 50 minutes, 57 secondsSo, if it's coming out of our travel and training, it doesn't have anything to do with the That's the same part. I mean, I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's we
3:51:043 hours, 51 minutes, 4 secondscan move our money around it to to to $2,500 is going to make a difference. Yes, sir. To him, Absolutely.
3:51:123 hours, 51 minutes, 12 seconds$500 for one year.
3:51:153 hours, 51 minutes, 15 secondsBecause I'm going to tell you right now, those classes that he sends his people to Well, I'm saying we can't give a Are you saying a raise?
3:51:203 hours, 51 minutes, 20 secondsNo, no, no, no. Let's just say if we take that $2500 out of our budget that we were going to spend and we give it to the chief, I know for a fact has classes for what? $25 now?
3:51:313 hours, 51 minutes, 31 seconds$25. So $25 to $50. How many I don't I can't do the math in my head. How many classes can he send his officers to for that $25 to 25?
3:51:413 hours, 51 minutes, 41 secondsHe already had he but that's what I'm saying. He's already budgeted for his travel and training.
3:51:453 hours, 51 minutes, 45 secondsYeah, I know. But we need to increase his travel and training budget because every year TCO makes more classes mandatory. Okay.
3:51:513 hours, 51 minutes, 51 secondsSo if you bring that bring what if you bring that information forward and place it here so we can look at it and see. Okay. at this point.
3:51:593 hours, 51 minutes, 59 secondsBut as far as this this and you're right, Madame Mayor, and I apologize as far as this, Mr. [name]. I I appreciate the motion, but I'm against it. I am absolutely
3:52:073 hours, 52 minutes, 7 secondsagainst it at this time in our budgetary life and our and our until we can get out some out from underneath some debt. I'm opposed to this right now.
3:52:153 hours, 52 minutes, 15 secondsOkay. Well, thank you for the argument.
3:52:173 hours, 52 minutes, 17 secondsI mean, the discussion discussion, but at this time, are there any more new? If not, I think we're ready for the vote.
3:52:263 hours, 52 minutes, 26 secondsWe've had a motion to second discussion and we're ready for the vote. All in favor? [snorts] Oppose.
3:52:363 hours, 52 minutes, 36 secondsOkay. Motion carries.
3:52:393 hours, 52 minutes, 39 secondsAnd new business.
3:52:423 hours, 52 minutes, 42 secondsNo, we got one more out of it. Madam, one more. I'm can't see. I'm trying to get out of here. I'm working on it.
3:52:493 hours, 52 minutes, 49 secondsconsider an approved public share parking agreement between the city of Crockett, Texas and Crockett Eye Clinic.
3:52:563 hours, 52 minutes, 56 secondsMayor and council, we talked about this a couple months ago. Um, initially we had talked to a couple contractors that had that were in the asphaltting
3:53:043 hours, 53 minutes, 4 secondsbusiness. We went out there and looked at with them and both of them will gladly take the project on. Um, but the
3:53:113 hours, 53 minutes, 11 secondswe're putting it over top of a foundation of an old building.
3:53:143 hours, 53 minutes, 14 secondsYeah. And then it has a driveway and some other areas that will affect this asphalt. And none of them will guarantee
3:53:243 hours, 53 minutes, 24 secondsthis asphalt because it's going to be a cap over top of concrete. The the the best uh recommendation to to do it the
3:53:333 hours, 53 minutes, 33 secondsright way and be done with it is to pull all that concrete out and and we would we would be doing that ourselves. Uh we we we bust the concrete up, pull it all
3:53:413 hours, 53 minutes, 41 secondsout, and pour a concrete pad, and then we have a really nice parking lot for the long term. The the asphalt was going
3:53:493 hours, 53 minutes, 49 secondsto cost us in the neighborhood of $10,000.
3:53:523 hours, 53 minutes, 52 secondsInitially, if we were just going to do the asphalt, um by pulling all of that out and doing it concrete, I talked to it's actually the contractor that does
3:54:013 hours, 54 minutes, 1 secondour curb and gutter, and he looked at it and he said he would do it with materials and labor for 15 with all the concrete. Um I went back to
3:54:083 hours, 54 minutes, 8 secondsDr. from a call and he said that he would cuz we were looking at probably a half and half, you know, a shared cost.
3:54:163 hours, 54 minutes, 16 secondsUm, and then at that point uh that's what he was willing to agree to. He said he would up his contribution uh to 10
3:54:253 hours, 54 minutes, 25 secondsand our five and we could make this parking lot happen. Uh, a couple of the things that we'll do in house are like the stripe. We, you know, we'll stripe
3:54:333 hours, 54 minutes, 33 secondsit in house and spray the handicap ramp on it or whatever. And then we have a couple rail more handrails to finish. So
3:54:403 hours, 54 minutes, 40 secondswe'll do those in house. Um so this parking lot going to be concrete as well. Concrete.
3:54:463 hours, 54 minutes, 46 secondsYes sir. All from the high from the edge of golad to the concrete uh retaining wall the brick or the block retaining
3:54:543 hours, 54 minutes, 54 secondswalls. Um this is an agreement that kind of getting back from we were literally talking somewhere where I like a 10-year
3:55:023 hours, 55 minutes, 2 secondstimeline. He increased his contribution by another 5,000. he asked for. So, what we're presenting today to you that he
3:55:103 hours, 55 minutes, 10 secondsagreed to was a 15-year term. So, it it's a it's an annual renewal with a 90-day clause. At any point if we
3:55:193 hours, 55 minutes, 19 secondsdecide, listen, we need to sell that land or we want to build something there.
3:55:233 hours, 55 minutes, 23 secondsUm, we can all we do is reimburse him the money that he put towards the of city park because it's city property.
3:55:303 hours, 55 minutes, 30 secondsSo, he's made that investment into city property for the benefit of using the parking spaces for his customers. It's a first come, first serve. He's not
3:55:393 hours, 55 minutes, 39 secondsdesignating my this one for the city and this one for it's first come, first serve. He will probably use the majority of it during the day for special events and stuff.
3:55:493 hours, 55 minutes, 49 secondsThe city will be using it or for like days when we have, you know, events at the library. Um
3:55:553 hours, 55 minutes, 55 secondsand um there was one other point. You have the parking agreement in front of you. Um
3:56:043 hours, 56 minutes, 4 secondsso it renews it renews annually. We will reimburse him if we try to um back out of this agreement in the first 15 years.
3:56:143 hours, 56 minutes, 14 secondsAnd if we do, you know, we will just reimburse him to 10,000. Um and there's no exclusive rights to the parking lot.
3:56:213 hours, 56 minutes, 21 secondsAnd that's all in this um in this draft uh agreement that y'all
3:56:283 hours, 56 minutes, 28 secondshave here. I believe that mainly that that pretty much covers um the the nuts and bolts of the uh agreement.
3:56:353 hours, 56 minutes, 35 secondsUm if a motion is made and there's an adjustment that y'all want to make to it, then that's fine. Let me know. Um but we he's willing to sign this one,
3:56:443 hours, 56 minutes, 44 secondsbut that you know, anything different than that I'll have to take back to him for I asked him to be here, but he's tied up with uh patients today and he can't be here.
3:56:533 hours, 56 minutes, 53 secondsU [name], I make a motion that um we basically um accept the terms stated.
3:57:043 hours, 57 minutes, 4 secondsNo, no, no. Because um I make a motion that we get u detailed um
3:57:143 hours, 57 minutes, 14 secondsuh construction cost of the design and design of the parking lot. Um black top,
3:57:223 hours, 57 minutes, 22 secondsthe material that we're going to use for the project, um the type of necessities we're improvements that we're going to
3:57:293 hours, 57 minutes, 29 secondsneed for that uh that project and an itemized budget cost overall and the long-term agreement.
3:57:393 hours, 57 minutes, 39 secondsUm,
3:57:423 hours, 57 minutes, 42 seconds[clears throat]
3:57:443 hours, 57 minutes, 44 secondswe're we're losing. Um, where we'll probably be
3:57:523 hours, 57 minutes, 52 secondsuh we're losing.
3:57:573 hours, 57 minutes, 57 secondsUh, okay. We're losing. But anyway, I just I I just want I just basically right now
3:58:053 hours, 58 minutes, 5 secondsI'm looking at it until the the council really looks at this agreement. Uh I'm
3:58:113 hours, 58 minutes, 11 secondsI'm I motion that um uh I move that we table this agreement to council has
3:58:203 hours, 58 minutes, 20 secondsopportunity to discuss um uh because we need some
3:58:263 hours, 58 minutes, 26 secondsteeth, some meat in in in this uh agreement.
3:58:323 hours, 58 minutes, 32 secondsI move that we table the agreement for further discussion.
3:58:423 hours, 58 minutes, 42 secondsWe have a motion.
3:58:473 hours, 58 minutes, 47 secondsDo we have We don't have a second. It dies for lack. Second. Okay. Second.
3:58:543 hours, 58 minutes, 54 secondsTake it to a vote. All in favor? opposed.
3:59:033 hours, 59 minutes, 3 secondsOkay, motion fails. Okay, we'll go ahead with the Madame Mayor, I make a motion we move forward with the contract as agreed on
3:59:123 hours, 59 minutes, 12 secondsthe caveat that this contract's been reviewed by our city attorney. It has a second motion.
3:59:173 hours, 59 minutes, 17 secondsOkay, it's been moved and second. All in favor? Question. Oh, question. Sorry.
3:59:223 hours, 59 minutes, 22 secondsOkay. Um, did the uh the attorney review any previous um agreements that were
3:59:293 hours, 59 minutes, 29 secondsmade before this agreement? Because what this agreement does, it cancels out all the previous agreements that were made.
3:59:373 hours, 59 minutes, 37 secondsAlso, not just saying that, um, do we have any council or
3:59:433 hours, 59 minutes, 43 secondsor employees who, uh, have businesses in that area that would benefit um, from
3:59:503 hours, 59 minutes, 50 secondsfrom this? Also, do we know you said drainage issues? How far are we going to
3:59:573 hours, 59 minutes, 57 secondsdeal with the drainage issues? Um Um, are you asking questions or Okay. Well, so I'm I mean, I'm basically at I mean, these are questions. Yeah.
4:00:064 hours, 6 secondsthat I'm posing. So, I'm just kind of giving you what I looked at over overall. So, um also um well, go ahead
4:00:154 hours, 15 secondsand tell me if our previous attorney Okay.
4:00:174 hours, 17 secondslooked at where we're we're in the question and answer.
4:00:204 hours, 20 secondsOkay. But he said I mean that wasn't a question that you could ask him. He made the motion and he said that he his what was on it. Yes. But you he doesn't have to answer our previous attorney.
4:00:314 hours, 31 secondsNo, you just make your statement. You're not as not okay. But this is if council's agreeable with me answering questions I can I mean
4:00:404 hours, 40 secondsbut this is a question. So not just that though um he's been only paying $667
4:00:474 hours, 47 seconds$6667 a year for 15 years. So we would be no ma'am.
4:00:544 hours, 54 secondsUm that's what I figured up here. Unless I made a mistake please u correct me if I did. So, um, in answer to your
4:01:024 hours, 1 minute, 2 secondsquestion, no. Uh, there's been no agreements ever made. That's why I'm bringing this to council now. And it, this was approved by our attorney.
4:01:104 hours, 1 minute, 10 secondsOkay. So, who created the I know it was approved by attorney. Who created the uh the agreement?
4:01:174 hours, 1 minute, 17 secondsI drafted the agreement for the for the attorney um to review and approve.
4:01:244 hours, 1 minute, 24 secondsAnd um so where do we where do we start at on the uh construction? So how do we
4:01:314 hours, 1 minute, 31 secondsknow the full cost of what the construction is going to be?
4:01:344 hours, 1 minute, 34 secondsY'all would approve by budget. Y'all would approve up to $15,000. If I blow it, I'll can bring it back to you.
4:01:404 hours, 1 minute, 40 secondsSo we need to put that in the budget as well. It is in the It is in this agreement. Budget of $15,000. Okay. Any other question?
4:01:474 hours, 1 minute, 47 secondsWell, we're getting $10,000 back from from the the entire Yes, sir. Yeah. $10,000 back. Yes.
4:01:544 hours, 1 minute, 54 seconds10,000 will be contributed by the eye clinic.
4:01:584 hours, 1 minute, 58 secondsSo, it's only going to cost the city five. He's contributing 10 and then we share it. First come, first serve.
4:02:034 hours, 2 minutes, 3 secondsNow, I'm guessing the contract person has already looked at drainage and all that stuff. That's why it's Yes, sir. That's why we're not altering anything. Correct.
4:02:104 hours, 2 minutes, 10 secondsThose that's legal ease that we're not going once it's constructed, we're not going to require the eye clinic to come and blow out the gutters or things of that nature.
4:02:194 hours, 2 minutes, 19 secondsNo, I get it. really really wasn't used before.
4:02:224 hours, 2 minutes, 22 secondsNo, but it does make a good It does make a good U parking lot. It will.
4:02:284 hours, 2 minutes, 28 secondsWell, it will, but but but then no one no one has a uh I mean, you know, executive claim on it. It's going to be
4:02:364 hours, 2 minutes, 36 secondsopen for anybody who wants to park there. [clears throat] First come, first serve. It's still it it'll be a parking lot that it never was.
4:02:434 hours, 2 minutes, 43 secondsYes, sir. So, I'm just looking at where it says what the city agrees to do. So basically the city uh agrees to design
4:02:514 hours, 2 minutes, 51 secondsand construct. So we don't have a design. We don't have to what it looks like. It will be done.
4:02:574 hours, 2 minutes, 57 secondsOkay. So that's what I'm saying. We're voting on agreed to it.
4:02:594 hours, 2 minutes, 59 secondsI know. That's what I'm saying. We we I know he always present us items and they'll agree before they even get the detailed information. So what I'm saying
4:03:084 hours, 3 minutes, 8 secondsis we don't have the design um to to construct the if we design if we design it. I haven't been approved a budget to go out and
4:03:164 hours, 3 minutes, 16 secondshire engineers. I'm going to be sketching it out with a contractor. I want concrete from this line to this line over here um on prop on city property and we will pour concrete.
4:03:274 hours, 3 minutes, 27 secondsThat's the design. So So that's what I'm asking. So when you Why wouldn't you bring that to us and let us review before you
4:03:354 hours, 3 minutes, 35 secondscuz we didn't tell him to. This is what we're trying to do. We're trying to get him a budget so he can go talk to a contractor.
4:03:414 hours, 3 minutes, 41 secondsWell, if you put Can we can we call the question? There's a motion in the second.
4:03:444 hours, 3 minutes, 44 secondsWe would have somebody second it, please. would have um brought this item to be placed on the agenda today. I mean
4:03:524 hours, 3 minutes, 52 secondsso okay we have to we have a call for we have a call for a motion I mean a vote
4:03:594 hours, 3 minutes, 59 secondswe need a we have a new motion is a call for the previous question if there's a second for that I'll second it okay and then a vote for the previous
4:04:084 hours, 4 minutes, 8 secondsquestion I'll vote for the previous question I'll help you out calling for a vote all in favor carries
4:04:174 hours, 4 minutes, 17 secondsokay so the previous question is approve the parking agree agreement is.
4:04:234 hours, 4 minutes, 23 secondsOkay. Back to the previous to approve the uh the parking. We've had a motion in a second already.
4:04:324 hours, 4 minutes, 32 secondsMotion.
4:04:334 hours, 4 minutes, 33 secondsWe've had a motion in a second. We haven't voted. Question. All in favor? Motion carries.
4:04:414 hours, 4 minutes, 41 secondsOkay. Thank you, council.
4:04:454 hours, 4 minutes, 45 secondsI Yeah, [sighs] I second.
4:04:534 hours, 4 minutes, 53 secondslooking at this stuff.
4:05:024 hours, 5 minutes, 2 secondsYes. as far as as far as the whole weekend,
4:05:124 hours, 5 minutes, 12 secondsbut as far as this goes, we have our approval,
4:05:214 hours, 5 minutes, 21 secondsbut he didn't even haven't given us any cost or anything like that. It doesn't.
4:05:244 hours, 5 minutes, 24 secondsSo that's their

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