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Meeting: Crockett City Council, 2025-10-06
Title: Crockett City Council Meeting - 10/06/2025
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[0:01] I should have gotten a little warning or
[0:02] nothing else.
[0:08] >> Ready?
[0:09] >> Yes, ma'am.
[0:13] >> Good evening, everyone. It is now
[0:15] officially 6 o'clock and we're opening
[0:17] our council meeting.
[0:20] We will open it
[0:24] with invocation and a pledge.
[0:28] Thank you.
[0:30] Heavenly Father, we come to you this
[0:33] afternoon thanking you and praising you
[0:35] for this day, all your blessings. As we
[0:38] gather here at City Hall tonight, we ask
[0:41] you for your presence and your wisdom uh
[0:45] in discussing and making decisions
[0:48] concerning the the welfare and the
[0:50] betterment of our city and and all the
[0:53] things that we have to make decisions
[0:55] upon tonight. We thank you for all of
[0:59] your blessings upon our city, but help
[1:01] us Lord to do things uh dear God that
[1:04] will uh
[1:06] help in every venture of our of our city
[1:09] government. We thank you and we give you
[1:12] all the praise in Christ Jesus name we
[1:14] pray. Amen.
[1:15] >> Amen.
[1:18] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[1:21] United States of America and to the
[1:24] republic for which it stands. One nation
[1:27] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:31] justice for all.
[1:36] >> With that being said, we would like to
[1:39] recognize all our visitors and we thank
[1:41] you so much for taking out of your busy
[1:43] schedule for being here. And also I
[1:46] would like to introduce one of our
[1:48] special visitors today uh one of our
[1:50] foreign exchange student and I I'm going
[1:52] to let her introduce herself. She's with
[1:55] the leadership program from uh Crockett
[1:57] High School.
[2:03] You might have to adjust. Can you hear
[2:05] adjusted for
[2:13] my name?
[2:18] and I'm student from a small country
[2:21] called
[2:23] Asia and
[2:26] my program is future of America and I'm
[2:29] here to share
[2:38] >> welcome welcome
[2:44] >> but she'll spending some times with me
[2:46] as a shadow and we're going to walk
[2:48] around. We'll be visit visiting other
[2:50] departments and if you would like to
[2:53] speak to her, answer any questions.
[2:54] She's she'll be writing up a summary of
[2:57] all the experiences that she's had. And
[2:59] so every department head or department
[3:01] person, don't forget to speak to her and
[3:04] let her know who you are. And thank you
[3:06] so much. Uh with that being said, do we
[3:09] have we don't have any comments from the
[3:11] audience? And that moves us to the
[3:15] approval of the minutes
[3:19] of regular session September the 15,
[3:21] 2025. Approve of minutes.
[3:25] Everyone has a copy.
[3:35] >> I'll make a motion to approve.
[3:38] I second.
[3:39] >> It's been moved and second. All in
[3:40] favor?
[3:42] Motion carries. Brings us to the order
[3:45] of business number two. Considering
[3:48] approving ordinance amending chapter 19,
[3:51] utilities of the Crockett Code, amending
[3:53] section 19 through 37, increasing the
[3:56] rates for residential and commercial
[3:58] water service. Amending section 19-58
[4:03] increasing the rates for residential and
[4:05] commercial sewer service containing a
[4:08] servability clause contain a rep
[4:11] repealing clause and providing an
[4:14] effective date. Mayor and council,
[4:18] when we went through budget workshops,
[4:20] we uh
[4:24] discussed the fact of whether we were
[4:26] going to pay our debt based on the ad
[4:30] valorum tax or whether we're going to do
[4:31] it on a usage basis with water and sewer
[4:34] rates.
[4:36] and council directed to put part of that
[4:40] into the of paying the debt by using the
[4:43] water and sewer rate increases. And I
[4:45] want to go through and discuss how that
[4:48] kind of breaks down for you. There's no
[4:51] base rate increase on water or sewer,
[4:54] but there is
[4:57] a consumption rate increase. So that
[4:59] basically means
[5:01] that the people that will be paying for
[5:04] the the increase are the ones that use
[5:07] the water and the sewer. It's not across
[5:10] the board.
[5:11] And for an example,
[5:15] an average user, that's what you see
[5:17] down here at the bottom is the 376, but
[5:21] that is based on the average of our
[5:23] total water usage for the year from all
[5:26] of our customers. Whereas an individual
[5:30] household that uses a very minimal
[5:32] amount of water, say less than a,000
[5:34] gallons, they won't see a dollar
[5:37] increase on their bill at all. It's
[5:39] based on that. It's not based on the
[5:43] fact of it's across the board. It's an
[5:46] average for that. And what that does is
[5:49] you can see on the water side the
[5:50] revenue increase that it brings. You can
[5:53] see on the sewer side what that brings.
[5:58] and that's to pay the debt for our
[6:00] infrastructure. And if everybody's been
[6:02] around town the last couple of days,
[6:04] you've seen plenty of water manes that
[6:05] have been broken. That infrastructure
[6:07] has been here for a long time. And not
[6:12] only is it pay for that, but it is
[6:14] leveraged funds with that as well. We're
[6:17] not paying the total amount because some
[6:19] of that is grant money that we're paying
[6:22] the match for. So you're not paying the
[6:24] total debt of the 14 million. You're
[6:27] just paying the portion of that that
[6:29] we're required to pay back. And so
[6:32] that's part of it as well.
[6:35] And the downside to this is is we've
[6:38] already approved and ratified the budget
[6:42] for next year. And to balance that
[6:44] budget, it was based upon the fact that
[6:47] we were going to increase the rates in
[6:50] our water and sewer to do that.
[6:53] If we choose not to raise the water and
[6:56] sewer rates, then we've got to find
[7:00] a deficit total of about $328,000
[7:04] out of the adopted budget for next year
[7:08] in water and sewer. If you will remember
[7:12] back to that budget,
[7:14] there's not a lot of fluff in that
[7:16] budget whatsoever.
[7:18] And in my professional opinion, if we
[7:21] have to cut $328,000
[7:23] out of that budget, we basically won't
[7:25] have a water and sewer department is
[7:27] what it amounts to. And that's kind of
[7:29] where we are at this point.
[7:32] And so again,
[7:35] and I understand that some people are
[7:38] worried about the base rate that did not
[7:40] increase at all. It's all based on the
[7:42] consumption. And that's the sin increase
[7:45] for consumption per gallon of sewer is
[7:47] 0.0. 088 cents per 100 and the water is
[7:51] 0.081
[7:54] per 100 gallons of water. And so that's
[7:58] where we are. That's why it's proposed
[8:01] because during the workshop council
[8:05] directed to pay that debt out of
[8:09] consumption instead of out of the taxes
[8:12] against property. So that's my
[8:15] presentation and I would remind council
[8:18] as we move into the discussion phase
[8:23] that you need a motion and a second on
[8:25] the floor before discussion takes place.
[8:36] >> What is the plan?
[8:43] Okay. Then I'll make a motion then
[8:45] that's the only way we discuss it is
[8:47] consider
[8:49] approve an ordinance amending chapter 19
[8:52] utilities of the Crockett Code. Amending
[8:55] section 19-37A
[8:57] increasing the rates for residential and
[8:59] commercial prop water service. Amending
[9:02] section 19-58 increasing the rates for
[9:05] residential and commercial sewer service
[9:08] containing a severability clause
[9:10] containing a repealing clause and
[9:13] providing
[9:15] an effective date.
[9:18] >> I second that motion.
[9:20] >> Okay, it's been moved and second.
[9:23] All in favor
[9:25] >> to discuss.
[9:26] >> You can have discussion then.
[9:27] >> Yeah.
[9:28] >> Well, that's the only way we could,
[9:29] >> right? You the motion had to be made
[9:31] now. Now you can have discussion.
[9:32] >> No, you can. Okay. We didn't have to
[9:33] vote on it. Okay. So, it's an open
[9:35] discussion. So, um it's open for
[9:38] discussion.
[9:41] >> Does someone have did you have something
[9:43] you want to say?
[9:44] >> Oh, yeah. Uh well, yeah. I want to ask
[9:47] um I understand that we um you talk
[9:50] about
[9:50] >> Yes, ma'am. I I apologize for leaving
[9:52] that part out. I've got it here before
[9:55] you. If y'all will see this separate
[9:58] sheet here, Miss [name] was questioning
[10:02] the fact that in the ordinance, it says
[10:05] for those outside the city limits, the
[10:07] water rates just double. And because the
[10:10] agenda was posted and the ordinance was
[10:13] posted prior to that discussion, she
[10:16] wanted it to be in the minutes and and
[10:21] that we can bring that this section back
[10:23] for an amendment. And it basically just
[10:25] spells out the fact what it says is
[10:28] rates for water service furnished
[10:30] outside city limits shall be twice the
[10:32] inside city rates. Accordingly, the
[10:34] charges are one residential water $49.34
[10:40] base rate plus $126 per 100 gallon used.
[10:44] Commercial water $6942
[10:47] base rate plus $126 per 100 gallons
[10:50] used.
[10:56] I want to be on the record to say that
[10:58] uh I think we got some of the highest
[11:01] water rates around for the type of water
[11:04] that we receive
[11:07] and that we buy.
[11:09] And uh
[11:14] so I think we need to go to the water
[11:16] district to revisit
[11:18] our
[11:20] we don't have a contract. I was fix
[11:22] contract. We don't have one,
[11:26] right?
[11:28] >> Is that right? We don't have a contract
[11:30] with them, right?
[11:31] >> That's what the lead.
[11:31] >> And how many gallons of water do we buy
[11:34] that we don't use?
[11:37] >> How much?
[11:38] >> It dep it it depends per month.
[11:40] >> A million.
[11:41] >> Yeah.
[11:42] >> But aren't we at least about that?
[11:44] >> At least a million gallons, right? So I
[11:47] think we need to go there before we
[11:50] raise the rates on
[11:52] our customers,
[11:55] our our people that we do. I I think we
[11:58] need to visit that. We need to visit
[12:00] that first.
[12:01] So
[12:04] >> Okay. In terms of where we are right
[12:06] now,
[12:07] >> you also say we're not going to have a
[12:08] water department, right?
[12:09] >> Okay. The one thing about it is that
[12:12] because of the way the budget was at, I
[12:13] I don't think it exclude going to them,
[12:16] but it's going to become a legal issue
[12:18] and it has been a legal issue for a
[12:19] while.
[12:20] >> Have you looked at Facebook and see how
[12:21] many people that's been that our water
[12:25] stinks our water when we get it from the
[12:27] water district and they're sending us
[12:29] bad water and we're paying for it.
[12:31] >> Okay. What we would have to do even at
[12:33] the staff because that contract it this
[12:36] isn't the first time. I think you've
[12:37] been around long. I've been wanting to
[12:39] do something about it for a long time.
[12:41] >> Each time you have presented, but you
[12:43] know that it just can't say we won't do
[12:45] it because we need the water. I mean,
[12:47] that's that's a given. We got to have
[12:49] some water. But if we to do it, it might
[12:52] be a better proposed at this time to
[12:54] prop propose how we're going to address
[12:56] it legally because you just can't say no
[13:00] water.
[13:01] >> I mean, that's I mean, if you like,
[13:03] let's just pay for the water we use.
[13:05] >> Okay. But that that has to be done
[13:08] through a legal step. Correct.
[13:11] >> Do we have a contract?
[13:12] >> Well, that's
[13:13] >> it has to you still going to have to
[13:15] have a legal person to make it go into
[13:17] effect. You can't just go there and tell
[13:19] them we're not going to do this water
[13:21] and and they cut it off. Then where are
[13:23] we going to be? We do have to have
[13:25] water. I mean, it's not no ifs, and but
[13:27] there has to be a procedure or process
[13:30] for going through it. So what we're
[13:33] proposing
[13:33] >> if I could say something I mean I you
[13:35] know I just don't I mean what they're
[13:38] doing to us I don't know the inception
[13:41] of that you know you know say there's no
[13:45] contract there's no contract
[13:48] I don't know what our obligation would
[13:49] be then to just to keep you know paying
[13:52] for that and and and if it's going to
[13:55] take legal if it's going to take legal
[13:57] action to stop it u
[14:01] I mean you Why? Why? Why couldn't we? I
[14:04] mean, I I just don't see how you how
[14:06] some anyone would agree. I mean, it'd be
[14:08] like anything we go to do go to buy
[14:11] something, they say, "Well, we're going
[14:12] to charge you more than what the price
[14:14] is." I I wouldn't buy anything that way.
[14:17] >> Okay?
[14:17] >> And I said, and I I've said it
[14:21] before, quite a while ago. I mean, you
[14:24] know, I understand that, you know, that
[14:25] they're in a bind and but I don't think
[14:27] it's our fault. But even if I mean,
[14:30] yeah, I understand what you're saying
[14:31] about
[14:32] >> and uh if and if and if and water is
[14:34] going to be the issue for our county
[14:38] probably from now on, there's going to
[14:40] be people coming after our water and
[14:43] we're going to have to just u uh you
[14:45] know do something to protect our water.
[14:48] And if we let them I mean if something
[14:50] happens they shut down and we don't do
[14:52] anything. It's my understanding the
[14:54] state could come in and take the lake
[14:56] over and they could do whatever they
[14:58] wanted to with the water.
[15:00] >> Okay.
[15:00] >> I just wish there was a way that we then
[15:03] if if if they're struggling that we
[15:05] could take it over and refurbish what
[15:07] needs to be refurbished so that we could
[15:09] have the water. But then that was the I
[15:11] mean that was the art I mean I'm sorry
[15:13] that was the statement that was made
[15:15] that we were going to get we were trying
[15:16] to get an assessment for what it cost to
[15:20] take over it and that was what was being
[15:22] put together
[15:23] >> and part of that is in the debt that
[15:26] we're paying off is the the assessment
[15:30] of
[15:38] [Music]
[15:41] Okay,
[15:44] we know how that is. I'm not going to
[15:45] argue with nobody. We can't control it.
[15:48] Okay. Why don't you tell us I mean I
[15:51] understand what [name] is saying and I
[15:52] understand it. But I think we are in the
[15:54] process of trying to make an assessment
[15:58] >> of of of where we are in our assets,
[16:01] where they are in their assets to see
[16:04] what options there are. and and I don't
[16:09] think we're arguing the fact of whether
[16:12] we should work towards a solution in
[16:15] that instance, but this is more budget
[16:18] related to the water and sewer rates as
[16:23] is now.
[16:24] >> Right now.
[16:25] >> Yes, ma'am.
[16:25] >> Okay. So,
[16:27] >> so my
[16:27] >> where we are I'm sorry. Go ahead.
[16:28] >> So, my my question so basically the
[16:31] water rates so we're still dealing with
[16:33] with the budget in general.
[16:35] >> Yes, ma'am. the whole budget, right? So,
[16:37] my my suggestion or my recommendation is
[16:41] I mean, have we actually looked at the
[16:44] council as a council? Have we actually
[16:47] looked at the budget actually reviewed
[16:50] the uh purchases items that we're
[16:52] purchasing things that we can go in and
[16:55] possibly And you're saying that we can't
[16:57] cut some things. Can we go in and look
[16:59] and see what's priority?
[17:01] >> I think I mean
[17:03] >> I mean the council have looked at like
[17:06] things like that. I mean overall
[17:08] balances we haven't gotten like
[17:12] >> you know like just say
[17:15] >> I think we in uh um I think added this
[17:18] past year and not to just say the and
[17:21] not to uh but just say for instance um
[17:27] uh I guess the the shelter I would say
[17:29] that we added that
[17:32] >> the what animal shelter
[17:33] >> animal shelter we added that and added
[17:36] to edit edit that. So, I'm just asking
[17:39] >> that was in last year's budget
[17:40] originally. It continued over to this
[17:43] one. Yes,
[17:44] >> ma'am. What I'm asking is just let us
[17:46] look at re revisit and look and see
[17:49] what's
[17:51] >> what's priorities.
[17:52] >> We and and I understand that, but we
[17:54] approved the budget that took effect
[17:57] October 1st.
[17:58] >> Okay. the budget is is there
[18:00] >> and so and this was part of the proposed
[18:03] budget that was approved by council to
[18:07] move forward. And during the workshops,
[18:10] council directed that the consumption of
[18:14] the increase of water and sewer rates
[18:16] was what was going to take to be that
[18:20] $328,000 worth of revenue for that
[18:23] budget to exist starting October 1st
[18:26] through September 30th. This is to pay
[18:27] the debt or the water.
[18:29] >> This is to pay the debt on the water.
[18:31] >> So, how how did we get there to have to
[18:34] do this to pay debt while the water
[18:36] department?
[18:37] >> It's supposed to be self-funded.
[18:40] >> I mean, our taxes supposed to be
[18:42] self-funded. How How do we
[18:44] >> get there to have to use water rates to
[18:47] pay debt? because it's the Texas Water
[18:51] Development Board funds that we received
[18:54] for
[18:56] the North plant.
[18:59] It is for
[19:01] money that we're getting that's going to
[19:03] basically replace the water lines on
[19:06] East
[19:06] >> to do for water, not
[19:08] >> and and the north plant, the whole sewer
[19:10] plant.
[19:10] >> So So that's what I was asking you. But
[19:12] you're saying debt. This is debt, right?
[19:14] Overall debt. overall debt.
[19:17] >> I was talking about water. I mean, water
[19:19] is supposed to stay in water.
[19:21] >> Uh sewer is supposed to stay in sewer
[19:23] >> and it it is and that's why you'll see.
[19:27] >> So, are we doing this to buy police
[19:29] cars? No, sir. We're doing this to get
[19:32] >> potholes and another budget.
[19:35] >> No, if you if you'll look in the water
[19:38] and not not I'm just asking general, not
[19:42] nothing to do with y'all buddy. and the
[19:44] water budget and the sewer budget.
[19:46] You'll look down through there and it'll
[19:48] show you the debt line items and that's
[19:50] it's for the it will pay and those add
[19:54] up to in the sewer side where it says
[19:58] total revenue needed. The debt payment
[20:01] for the year is $168,626
[20:04] just for sewer. And when raising the
[20:07] rates that raises it to 171,51869.
[20:11] But then you look at the water,
[20:14] >> it's because we've been getting
[20:15] increases from the water department or
[20:19] >> water. These are just the debts for the
[20:21] loan from the Texas Water Development
[20:23] Board and those other things that are
[20:24] going to redo the North Plant, which
[20:26] like I said, that's leverage money
[20:27] because we're not paying the full 14
[20:30] million back. It's just a percentage of
[20:32] those that we're paying back. And so
[20:35] like on the water side,
[20:38] the total revenue needed to pay the debt
[20:42] is 159503
[20:44] and we're going to raise 15787516.
[20:48] And you put the two and so we were able
[20:51] to absorb the 2,000 in the water side
[20:54] and we'll have a little excess just
[20:57] based on the rates on the sewer side. So
[21:01] that it is to pay the water and sewer
[21:04] debt only. It will stay within those
[21:06] budgets.
[21:08] >> So what it means is everybody's not
[21:09] paying.
[21:10] >> No. And they're not because it's based
[21:12] on the the ones consumption of water and
[21:15] >> balanced out. But
[21:16] >> we we do that already enough. So
[21:19] >> Okay. But one thing I mean where we are
[21:22] right now with what's been allocated
[21:24] what we agreed on in the budget first.
[21:26] The only step that we can take at this
[21:28] point is to go forward by and like I
[21:32] say, I think we're already in the
[21:34] process to get an assessment of what we
[21:37] can do and how much we're obligated.
[21:40] People have been saying for years that
[21:43] it's not a contract, but for some reason
[21:46] we haven't been able to get out of it
[21:48] because we needed the support of the
[21:50] water each time. Each time we've had a
[21:54] fail in our water just to supply, we've
[21:56] had to go back because you got to have
[21:58] water one way. But I think at this point
[22:03] where we are and everybody's frustrated,
[22:06] but the fairest part is if you're not
[22:08] using a lot of water, you're not paying
[22:10] more than you normally would. I mean
[22:13] they didn't raise if you're if you're
[22:15] using the same amount of water your
[22:18] increase is not going to be overly
[22:19] reflective of an additional but we are
[22:23] do have out of the city limits and it is
[22:26] going to be but then the the
[22:29] infrastructure to get it out there is
[22:32] not as simple as it is to get it in
[22:34] town. We've been struggling and I'd ask
[22:37] uh [name] to mention it a little bit
[22:39] but with that busted line just one line
[22:43] and then another line and then another
[22:45] line just if you've driven down the
[22:47] street. So we are in bad shape with uh
[22:50] sewer because it hasn't been fixed in
[22:53] over 60 70 years and every time one
[22:57] bust. But what I'm saying that this this
[22:59] this it might be a band-aid. Call it
[23:03] what you like. But if we can get through
[23:05] this and get a legal opinion on what's
[23:07] the next step cuz we're going to have to
[23:10] go forward with it. We've already looked
[23:12] at the budget. Everybody has made their
[23:14] recommendation. Do we like it? Not at
[23:17] this point, but we are going to have to
[23:19] do something about it. But we're at this
[23:21] point, we need to get the water and get
[23:24] the sew and get the bills paid on
[23:26] because the bills are going to have to
[23:28] be paid one way or the other. And then
[23:30] from that point, we can assign a special
[23:34] counsel to go in what what does it
[23:37] really take to get out of it?
[23:40] >> And we're going to have to do that. And
[23:42] you know because it's the the customers
[23:44] aren't happy the people aren't h happy
[23:46] about it.
[23:47] >> So that's said so that that's where I
[23:51] was asking question about the opera the
[23:53] American Rescue Plan Act when they
[23:56] imposed that act those monies were to uh
[24:00] given to cities such as ours to support
[24:04] uh infrastructure issues, water issues,
[24:07] uh pipe lane uh issues. And so my
[24:10] question with that is what do we do with
[24:13] it? I mean did we use it for the purpose
[24:16] of priority items or we just made a wish
[24:21] list and just went through it and not
[24:24] even addressed the uh issues that the
[24:26] people had in the county because during
[24:29] that time the people had issues with
[24:31] water then we had issues with streets
[24:34] then we had issues with is
[24:35] infrastructure then. So what I'm asking
[24:38] is what do we do? Why didn't we react
[24:41] then like we're doing now? I mean, when
[24:44] we received this money, we should have
[24:46] looked at all the priority items and
[24:48] took them head on and address those. But
[24:52] now we in a predicament that we we got
[24:55] to figure it out. So, I I talked with a
[24:58] lady today and I was comparing the water
[25:02] issues inside the city limits and
[25:04] outside. I just went a little bit a
[25:07] little bit further and this friend of
[25:08] mine just so happened I called her and
[25:10] she was telling me that she was having
[25:12] issues because she was already had a
[25:14] plumber out to her house and I said,
[25:16] "Well, sister," I said, "I'm glad you
[25:18] told me." I said, "Cuz that's what I'm
[25:19] calling about." Well, I called her. She
[25:20] said, "Terrina," she said, "It's water."
[25:22] She said, "It's my water bill $200." She
[25:25] said, "And I had a leak. Did not realize
[25:28] I had a leak and it's her water bill
[25:31] $400." I asked her if she had gave me
[25:34] permission to get her copy of water bill
[25:37] and I did and so she lives out in Meta
[25:40] View, but she has a $400 water bill and
[25:43] she was very upset about it and she was
[25:46] like, "Y'all please don't go up on the
[25:48] water cuz I mean she said the water I
[25:52] can't take a bath in it because it
[25:54] breaks me out. It has all those extra
[25:56] chemicals in it and I and and plus the
[25:59] past week or so I've been receiving
[26:01] emails with bathtubs with water and it's
[26:05] just brown just
[26:07] >> and I can address that. Um part of that
[26:12] is starting I think it was September the
[26:14] 15th
[26:16] um the lake had to do what they call a
[26:18] free burn. It's required to basically
[26:22] change over from chloromines to chlorine
[26:24] and and treat the water to clean out
[26:26] everything. And when you do that, it
[26:28] does exactly what its purpose is. And
[26:30] it's going to clean out old pipes and
[26:32] whatever's in those pipes is going to
[26:34] come out.
[26:35] >> Well, I now will say this with the new
[26:39] flushing in the water and it coming in
[26:40] with the four, look at your pipes. I had
[26:44] four pipes removed and because I'm I'm
[26:47] in an old house too, they're full of
[26:50] rust. I don't know how they build up. I
[26:52] don't know. But I would bring it here
[26:53] just for example. You wouldn't believe
[26:56] that that brown is not coming so much
[26:59] from the water. It's coming out of those
[27:01] pipes, right?
[27:02] >> They're very very if you live in any of
[27:05] the older houses. I didn't know it could
[27:08] be that much. I'm in the process of
[27:10] changing mine to I mean personally to
[27:12] the rubber. Only thing I got to say
[27:14] about that, um,
[27:16] >> don't nobody want to pay for it, but how
[27:19] we gonna get it fixed if we don't pay
[27:20] for it?
[27:21] >> Yeah, I agree.
[27:22] >> I mean, it's always going to hurt and
[27:24] it's always we going to have to pay for
[27:26] it. It ain't going nowhere.
[27:28] >> So, the thing
[27:30] >> after we get through paying for it, can
[27:32] our bill go back down?
[27:34] >> And that's and that's what you're
[27:35] waiting for.
[27:36] >> The trouble is everybody don't pay for
[27:38] it.
[27:38] >> Yeah. And and it's fair. I mean, it's
[27:40] not a lot of things that everybody get.
[27:42] If you stop using a lot of water, your
[27:44] bill won't change much. If you use a lot
[27:46] of water, your bill is going to change a
[27:49] lot. And I know some people have extra
[27:51] things and and if I mean, and so that's
[27:55] in terms of fairness. It doesn't get any
[27:57] fairer than it. I agree with everybody
[28:00] pay for
[28:01] >> my water bill is over $400 every month.
[28:03] I'm I certainly don't want it mine to go
[28:06] up, but
[28:08] if if I'm asking this question right in
[28:11] a previous meeting so that everybody can
[28:13] understand, we agreed to do it this way.
[28:16] Is that right?
[28:17] >> Yes, sir. That was during the budget
[28:18] workshop. It was unanimous that we put
[28:22] this on consumption, this part of the
[28:24] debt on
[28:25] >> and we as council agreed.
[28:27] >> Yes, sir.
[28:28] >> To do with the water and the sewer.
[28:30] That's where that funding was going to
[28:32] be. And the money was going to be used
[28:34] for those specifically.
[28:36] >> So that agreement from the council
[28:38] brought us to this point.
[28:40] >> Yes, sir.
[28:41] >> All right. My next question is if if if
[28:44] if
[28:46] this didn't pass, what are the
[28:48] consequences?
[28:49] >> Well, we've got to go back to the water
[28:51] and sewer budget and cut $328,000.
[28:55] And like I
[28:55] >> And what would that mean?
[28:57] >> It's going to eventually end up in
[28:59] layoffs of of workers. And that's why I
[29:01] said in my professional opinion, it's
[29:03] going to be a challenge to have a water
[29:05] and sewer department because there's not
[29:08] a lot of extra money in those two
[29:12] budgets other than personnel
[29:14] >> and with the number.
[29:16] >> So we we um incurred what uh about a
[29:20] million and half of salaries
[29:25] between two people this year.
[29:27] >> A million and a half.
[29:28] >> One million. Uh where you and [name] sell.
[29:32] >> So we
[29:32] >> It's not close to a million.
[29:34] >> It's a million and a half. I want in on
[29:35] it.
[29:36] >> Yeah, me too.
[29:37] >> Is what? Well, what was it?
[29:38] >> No, I'm I'm going bring it back. But
[29:40] anyway, we But anyway, we need to look
[29:43] at personal name. So, I can I will tell
[29:45] you this.
[29:45] >> Let me introduce. Yes, ma'am.
[29:47] >> So, remember I was asking at I think
[29:49] earlier names.
[29:51] >> Uh I was okay. I was asking earlier at
[29:54] um
[29:55] >> uh one meeting and I was inquired about
[29:58] salaries.
[29:59] >> Sure.
[29:59] >> So have we not looked at you know
[30:03] salaries because have we not looked at
[30:05] positions that we may not necessarily
[30:09] need that was created
[30:10] >> because of the budget
[30:11] >> off subject now.
[30:12] >> Yes, we are. And we and besides
[30:14] >> So I make a motion we I make a motion we
[30:16] move on the previous question.
[30:18] >> Looking for money. Okay. I make a motion
[30:20] we move on the previous question.
[30:22] >> Yeah. And that's the one.
[30:23] >> Yeah. A motion was already on.
[30:24] >> Okay. But no, but you you
[30:26] >> the previous question.
[30:27] >> Make a motion we move on the previous
[30:28] question.
[30:28] >> That's acceptable to say
[30:30] >> it. It is with a with a second. Then
[30:32] that would terminate all discussion and
[30:34] proceed to the vote.
[30:36] >> Now
[30:36] >> with a second it would terminate
[30:38] discussion and proceed to an immediate
[30:40] vote.
[30:41] >> I second.
[30:43] >> Okay. So you vote on the previous
[30:45] question first
[30:46] >> and the previous question. What did you
[30:47] want to do about the water department?
[30:50] >> No, you just All in favor of the
[30:52] previous question.
[30:54] >> That's what you say.
[30:56] >> Oh, I thought Okay. All in favor for the
[30:58] previous question. That was the one we
[31:00] were working on.
[31:01] >> Yeah.
[31:04] >> Yay. Nay.
[31:06] >> She's asking who's in favor of the
[31:07] previous question.
[31:08] >> To go back to the previous question that
[31:10] you would
[31:11] >> That's 30.
[31:12] >> Okay.
[31:13] >> Now, now you vote on the motion that Mr.
[31:16] [name] presented approving the ordinance.
[31:21] >> Did you
[31:22] >> I made the motion. We had a second.
[31:24] >> Yeah, you had the motion in second. Now
[31:25] that's what's on the floor.
[31:27] >> The discussion's been terminated with
[31:28] the previous question.
[31:30] >> And now the motion on the floor is to
[31:32] vote for approving the ordinance for
[31:34] raising the water and sewer rates or
[31:36] not.
[31:37] >> I thought it was just water rates.
[31:39] >> No, ma'am. It's water and sewer rates.
[31:41] >> They were both on there.
[31:42] >> Okay. You went back and changed it.
[31:44] >> No. No, ma'am. Because we remember the
[31:47] first meeting we had.
[31:48] >> Oh, no. We're talking about today.
[31:49] >> The first meeting we had.
[31:50] >> How are we still discussing?
[31:52] >> Discussion is no longer on that. We've
[31:54] had a discussion. It's up to the vote
[31:56] now. Okay. So, that was the motion and
[31:59] it's been approved.
[32:01] >> Moved and second.
[32:02] >> Moved and second. And now you're ready
[32:04] for the room.
[32:05] >> Yes, ma'am.
[32:06] >> It's already been
[32:08] >> Yeah, but they only they
[32:09] >> they already been discussed and it that
[32:11] was what was on the table.
[32:13] >> Yeah. But they bring the room. Uh, we're
[32:15] ready for the vote.
[32:16] >> We're favoring the roll.
[32:17] >> Yeah, we're ready for the vote.
[32:19] >> Yeah.
[32:20] >> Okay. All in favor?
[32:25] >> Opposed?
[32:28] >> Are you opposed? Did you raise your
[32:30] hand?
[32:31] >> You What is it?
[32:33] >> It was all in this for all in favor
[32:37] >> raised already. It was the three with
[32:40] >> Okay. And oppose.
[32:42] >> [name]'s opposed.
[32:43] >> [name] opposed. And I was asking if it you
[32:45] don't vote
[32:46] >> this it's opposed. Okay. It's Yeah.
[32:50] >> It passes.
[32:51] >> Okay. So, they've moved on. Motion pack
[32:53] carries. Brings us to the next item.
[32:58] >> As soon as I find my front page.
[33:01] Okay.
[33:04] Item number three, public hearing on
[33:05] request from Tracy Ross Jr. for a
[33:08] specific use permit to place a
[33:10] manufacturer home on property currently
[33:12] having an address of 804 Cottonwood
[33:15] located between Berlesen Street and West
[33:17] Hall Avenue and identified by the
[33:20] Houston County Appraiser District as
[33:22] partial 4309 and 4310. legal description
[33:26] being lots number eight and and and nine
[33:31] in the JW Hog block of the Dport
[33:35] addition to the city of Crockett.
[33:41] >> Oh, we're council. Oh, I'm Oh, that's
[33:44] right. I'm sorry. This is the hearing
[33:46] part.
[33:46] >> Public hearing. If anybody's there would
[33:48] like a comment, you may come and make
[33:50] your comment.
[33:54] We'll leave it open for a few minutes. A
[33:56] minute. If nobody has a come in on that,
[34:02] you actually get to say something
[34:05] and we want him. Okay. If it's nothing,
[34:09] did you have something to say about it?
[34:12] >> On the previous motion is correct.
[34:14] >> No, no, no. This is only three. The
[34:16] request this the public hearing on the
[34:19] specific use permit item number three.
[34:21] That is all you can discuss. If you have
[34:23] a concern or comment, does anyone have
[34:27] it? If not, we'll close the hearing.
[34:30] Okay.
[34:32] Hearing is officially closed. Brings us
[34:34] to item number four. Consider an
[34:36] approved request from Tracy Ross Jr. for
[34:39] a specific use place per permit to place
[34:41] a manufactured home or property
[34:43] currently having an address of 804
[34:45] Cottonwood located between Burlesen
[34:46] Street and West Hall Avenue identified
[34:49] by the Houston County Appraisal District
[34:51] as part of 4309 and 4310. Legal
[34:55] description being lots number 8 and 9 in
[34:59] the JW Hog block of the depot edition.
[35:02] Mayor and Council, uh, we had a
[35:05] application for a specific use permit as
[35:08] required by our ordinance from Tracy
[35:10] Ross Jr. to place a manufactured home on
[35:14] the lots that are described. Went
[35:16] through planning and zoning. It will
[35:19] meet all setbacks and requirement. Uh,
[35:22] planning and zoning saw that
[35:25] there would be no adverse effect. It
[35:28] would not substantially depreciate the
[35:30] value of adjacent nearby properties and
[35:33] it will keep in spirit and intent of the
[35:35] city ordinance. It will not affect
[35:37] traffic circulation or public utilities
[35:40] or health and safety. There was a public
[35:43] hearing at the planning and zoning
[35:45] commission on September 30th. One person
[35:48] spoke in favor, none opposed. Planning
[35:51] and zoning recommended approval of the
[35:53] specific use permit for the placement of
[35:55] the manufactured home. It will be a 2025
[35:58] year model manufactured home.
[36:02] >> Okay. Um
[36:02] >> I make a motion we approve.
[36:04] >> I second.
[36:05] >> It's been moved and second. All in
[36:06] favor?
[36:08] >> We have to abstain because we're
[36:12] >> I have to abain because that's it's a
[36:14] conflict of interest because I own
[36:16] property within the 300 ft mark. As a
[36:20] matter of fact, the property they took
[36:21] to put the trailer home on my parents
[36:24] actually used to own it as well
[36:26] >> and I'm I had I would have had to
[36:28] abstain too because I have area property
[36:31] in the area. Okay. Conflict of interest.
[36:34] So with that being said, motion carries.
[36:38] All right. Item number five,
[36:42] consider and approve authorizing the
[36:44] city to proceed with lease agreement
[36:46] with deep East Texas Workforce Solution
[36:49] at 1505 South Fourth Street, Votech uh
[36:53] Center, Vocational Tech Center, and
[36:56] determining uh lease value. Council,
[37:01] >> mayor and council, um we have a lease
[37:04] agreement um that with the workforce uh
[37:08] solutions office that's within the uh
[37:11] votech center um before this lease
[37:14] agreement is drafted and numbers are
[37:17] placed into an agreement to you. Uh we
[37:20] did reach out to the workforce. They're
[37:22] aware of this. That's why we're
[37:24] currently under a month lease with them
[37:26] because they knew that they needed to
[37:28] renegotiate this after transfer of
[37:30] asset.
[37:30] >> How much is that month?
[37:34] >> Currently the monthto month is as the
[37:36] previous it's based on reimbursements of
[37:38] utilities only. So they will only
[37:39] reimburse the city for cost of
[37:42] utilities. Uh that was the existing
[37:44] previous agreement. We continued on from
[37:47] month to month in order to not default
[37:50] on it because that lease agreement
[37:51] expired that they were under. But we
[37:54] knew that the transfer of assets would
[37:56] take a few more months. We went to a
[37:58] month to month and as the um the city
[38:02] becomes um a uh lease score of the
[38:06] property under a master lease agreement
[38:09] then we will sub lease that property to
[38:11] proalis workforce solutions and so
[38:14] forth. But as those leases are drafted
[38:16] we wanted to bring it to y'all to get
[38:18] your um input on it. Um, as I put down,
[38:21] I have a a sheet there for y'all to kind
[38:24] of explain some of the specs of the
[38:27] property. It's 1,800 square ft of office
[38:30] space.
[38:32] Um, I have on the back side of that
[38:34] sheet, I also have some pictures of it.
[38:36] I'm sure y'all work for an office. If
[38:38] you have it, there's just a few
[38:40] pictures. I reached out without hiring a
[38:45] some type of a licensed or certified
[38:47] appraiser and paying funds for it. Uh
[38:50] this definitely falls in with council's
[38:52] perview to decide um what y'all think is
[38:56] fair. We did reach out to some realtors
[38:58] and we got across the board different
[39:01] numbers what they based on their lease
[39:03] agreements that they
[39:06] worked with other companies at least
[39:08] from the office space. We got 30 members
[39:12] in talking to workforce. They the DPS
[39:15] Texas workforce solutions.
[39:18] Um they currently have five other leases
[39:21] and they said this offer here is based
[39:23] on an average of what they currently
[39:26] lease for and they'll be they would be
[39:27] willing to offer this much. If if you
[39:32] you guys decide that the lease needs to
[39:34] be more than that, then they would
[39:36] request that we go through a procurement
[39:38] process or they actually go through a
[39:40] procurement process seeking other
[39:42] buildings, other leases, other options
[39:45] before they decide to pay more than what
[39:47] their average is. But that that offer
[39:51] the offer for 1,00522
[39:54] is what they're offering um based on
[39:57] five other sites and they would be
[39:59] willing to on top of that and not the
[40:01] whole process.
[40:04] >> So,
[40:15] so my my question was so being that we
[40:17] had the have the month-to-month lease
[40:20] agreement so um and the pan it has the
[40:25] property has not changed or anything
[40:27] like that. So
[40:30] are we trying to do a lease agreement
[40:32] now to start recovering the lease fee or
[40:37] what are we what are those going that
[40:41] were replaced two in this last year.
[40:45] >> So as costs of HVACs roof leaks windows
[40:50] um need to be there's maintenance cost
[40:53] and there's no revenue to cover those.
[40:57] >> Yeah. With that being said, over at the
[41:00] civic center, same thing. You have the
[41:02] chamber over there. You have the chamber
[41:04] there.
[41:04] >> And that's why you negotiated a lease
[41:06] agreement with them as well.
[41:08] >> Yes. And you and their lease agreement
[41:09] is $386 a month
[41:11] >> for one office. They're only leasing one
[41:14] office. This is an,800 foot office.
[41:16] >> Now, my next question with that being
[41:18] said, um what other uh conference rooms
[41:21] are they allowed to use or utilize for
[41:24] their event without a cost?
[41:29] the
[41:30] >> No, no, the chamber.
[41:31] >> Oh, no. That's not on the agenda today,
[41:34] >> right?
[41:34] >> But it's it's it's relating to to this
[41:36] agreement. It's related to
[41:38] >> No, there only one. What I'm asking is
[41:40] so so that means that we should have
[41:44] >> um
[41:45] >> pretty much kind of talked about it
[41:46] before you went and talked to cuz I'm
[41:49] asking um who initiated
[41:52] the conversation you know because
[41:56] >> that's why hadn't spoken you had spoken
[41:58] no one has spoken
[41:59] >> excuse me that has been
[42:00] >> that's why we're talking
[42:02] input
[42:03] >> well I will say this
[42:05] >> this has come up before when we first
[42:07] started looking at pllis This is not the
[42:09] first time we have discussed that it
[42:11] that they were uh in because they do
[42:13] rent another property in the city
[42:17] right down the workforce.
[42:19] >> Yeah, the workforce. The workforce is an
[42:21] established organization. They do have
[42:24] funding sources and there are they're
[42:26] they're not just this little small off
[42:28] they're part of a corporation too. And
[42:31] so in terms of has the city been very
[42:34] conscientious of it and supported
[42:37] they've been very supportive for years.
[42:39] This is not the first time. This is
[42:41] about the third time this conversation
[42:43] had came up and in the me before they
[42:46] before PVLis got in they were there and
[42:49] we were just assisting them. But I think
[42:52] that it's I think at this time it is
[42:55] appropriate for them and we're doing
[42:57] each one uh and they're an entity that
[43:01] should be responsible. We we appreciate
[43:03] what they're doing but they're self
[43:06] >> but for to just uh and they they've been
[43:10] aware of it. The head department has
[43:12] been aware because they came and
[43:14] visited.
[43:14] >> Yes, ma'am. But my understanding from
[43:16] the get-go when Proalis entered into
[43:18] that building is that they was very
[43:21] receptive. They wanted the workforce to
[43:24] be in that building because they they
[43:27] you know but if they get to the point to
[43:28] where they can't um afford it or we
[43:31] force them to get another building
[43:33] because of the lease agreement and the
[43:35] expense of it is not
[43:38] >> May I interject May I interject please?
[43:40] >> Yes.
[43:41] That is why the agenda item is worded
[43:44] the way it is to get council's input
[43:46] into the dollar amount.
[43:48] >> But this is the dollar amount that
[43:50] workforce came to us with. This is what
[43:54] their average rent for their facilities
[43:56] are and this is what they want to pay.
[43:59] Now I have to be careful with that
[44:01] because of the fact that last time that
[44:04] you all went to prov uh not provided but
[44:06] the workforce and you spoke with them
[44:08] and you came back to the council with
[44:11] what they agreed to is really not what
[44:14] they wanted to agree to. I don't know
[44:16] what the conversation was but a lot of
[44:18] the details we didn't get and a lot of
[44:21] the details we don't get when you all
[44:24] meet with these different um entities.
[44:27] We're when when you leave that I don't
[44:30] feel like we're getting all of the
[44:31] detailed information. So discussing this
[44:34] right now motion where we Okay.
[44:39] >> We we I'm allowed to ask him questions
[44:41] so we can discuss.
[44:43] >> Okay. To the point you've stated.
[44:46] >> Okay. What what they're proposing
[44:49] >> and what what we need to hear is the
[44:51] baseline. They have always been aware
[44:54] that it was going to have to be a
[44:55] charge. There's not a a question about
[44:57] it. We went to them and they knew that
[45:00] it was going to be a charge because they
[45:02] always pay for the building that they're
[45:04] in. Uh we're not forcing them to leave,
[45:06] but it is a point where you do negotiate
[45:08] the best price, not looking at what the
[45:11] market value is. That's what you do when
[45:14] you're protecting the city interest.
[45:17] They I mean they're they get paid. So
[45:19] there's somebody's paying them and so it
[45:21] is a and they're they're not thinking
[45:23] about leaving and we're not thinking
[45:25] about asking them to leave but we are
[45:27] asking them that they do need to be
[45:29] prepared to pay a decent rental.
[45:32] >> Part of that is part of that has got to
[45:34] be fair market value or a public benefit
[45:38] and that's what our city attorney can
[45:40] answer as well and that's what the same
[45:42] contract that we use for the chamber.
[45:45] There's a couple of other things in the
[45:47] city which I told you when we did the
[45:49] chamber one that there was more coming.
[45:51] And so this is one based on the fact of
[45:55] they came to us with a number. We
[45:57] brought it to council at the beginning
[46:00] of the process to get your direction to
[46:04] move forward with this lease agreement.
[46:05] And if you thought that the number that
[46:07] they were coming forward with was
[46:10] adequate for the council to be satisfied
[46:12] with or if we needed to go up or
[46:16] whatever. And that's why we're doing
[46:17] this at the outset of this process with
[46:21] the council. Now, this is not the actual
[46:24] lease agreement that we're voting on
[46:27] tonight. the the agenda item says
[46:34] in determining a lease value for this
[46:36] lease agreement. That's what we're
[46:38] trying to determine tonight.
[46:40] >> I mean, that's understandable, man.
[46:41] Anybody got a building and going to pay
[46:43] rent, man.
[46:44] >> So, that's that's what
[46:46] >> take no rocket science.
[46:47] >> At the end of the day, what we need is
[46:51] y'all to give us a direction in terms of
[46:54] a lease value in a motion.
[46:56] >> Okay. Well, this is what I'm my question
[46:58] I want to ask you. Um,
[47:01] uh, Mr. [name], you're correct.
[47:03] Nobody's going to really pay a a for,
[47:07] you know, not be in a bill and not pay
[47:08] for it. So, with that being said, that's
[47:11] a nonprofit. And so, y'all going to have
[47:14] to make it make me understand, are we
[47:17] not charging for ballots?
[47:20] Is is ballots being in that building for
[47:23] no fee?
[47:24] >> Okay. We're not We're talking No, you're
[47:26] talking. We're not making comparison.
[47:28] >> That's what I'm saying.
[47:28] >> We're getting to the point of where
[47:30] we're we're coming close.
[47:32] >> Hold up. Hold up. Hold up.
[47:33] >> We're coming close to
[47:34] >> What are you doing? Let me just Hold up.
[47:36] Yes, ma'am.
[47:36] >> Okay.
[47:37] >> Hold up. No,
[47:38] >> we're not.
[47:40] Uh, Excuse me. Excuse me.
[47:42] >> Okay.
[47:44] >> This is where we are. I'm just being
[47:45] fair.
[47:46] >> What you're doing, Excuse me. You're
[47:49] doing apples and oranges right now. We
[47:51] have an item on the table
[47:54] >> and what that item is is to look at the
[47:56] recommended cost and what we're going to
[47:59] have to agree on. Should they be charged
[48:02] and what is the a parameter that we're
[48:04] looking at? We're not comparing what
[48:06] they're doing. We're comparing them to
[48:08] them. That's all it is to their
[48:10] >> not charging someone else.
[48:11] >> We are not char we are looking at them
[48:14] specifically and seeing what the
[48:17] recommendation on the sheet that they
[48:19] gave you. They told you what the deal
[48:21] was and we're going through
[48:23] >> and they came to us with an offer of
[48:25] 1522.
[48:27] I want to make a motion we take their
[48:29] offer. Please. I want to make a motion
[48:31] we take their offer.
[48:32] >> What's the offer?
[48:32] >> 1520
[48:34] something a month.
[48:36] >> 1522 plus their portion.
[48:38] >> So I want and and their portion of their
[48:40] utilities.
[48:41] uh with an exception with an exception
[48:44] it be one year lease at a time
[48:47] >> just in case PVL needs that building
[48:50] later or that section later
[48:53] >> and they willing to pay that right
[48:55] >> yes sir
[48:56] >> okay I'll make that motion
[48:58] >> okay wait a minute hold up
[48:59] >> but they're not certainly utilities
[49:01] explain the utilities
[49:02] >> did you say what the explain utilities
[49:04] >> said okay hold up let's see
[49:05] >> I said utilities
[49:06] >> no no no explain to
[49:10] >> he made a motion So a motion is on the
[49:12] floor. So the only thing can be done now
[49:14] is either a second or it dies for lack
[49:17] of second.
[49:17] >> I second.
[49:18] >> So now it can be discussed.
[49:20] >> Okay. Moved in.
[49:21] >> We've been discussing it.
[49:22] >> Okay. The discussion has been and you're
[49:24] saying and you the recommendation
[49:27] is what they provided is plus the a part
[49:32] of the utility.
[49:33] >> The utilities and that's what we have on
[49:35] here. The utilities are being currently
[49:39] paid in full by probalis. The utilities
[49:43] will be reimbursed between the two the
[49:46] two entities. The city is not going to
[49:47] be the middleman anymore.
[49:49] >> Okay.
[49:50] >> Current agreement with proales already
[49:52] provides for proalis is paying for all
[49:54] of it and they have agreed to share that
[49:57] cost between them and workforce.
[50:00] >> That's my motion.
[50:01] >> That's the only thing. We need a
[50:03] workforce. How you know we need them.
[50:05] It's not a question.
[50:06] >> Well, well, we're going to do what they
[50:08] offer. They offered it. We didn't. They
[50:10] offered it.
[50:11] >> They offered it.
[50:12] >> Okay. So,
[50:13] >> any more discussion?
[50:14] >> So, what? Yes. Yeah. Real quick. And the
[50:18] and what uh what I what I was trying to
[50:20] figure out is like even they with them
[50:23] being with them offering that I mean we
[50:26] weren't even advised or given
[50:29] opportunity to even give a suggestion of
[50:33] what we would consider it to be leased
[50:36] for
[50:36] >> we talking about it now
[50:38] >> right now that was what the conversation
[50:40] >> beforehand because my understanding is
[50:43] that before they discuss any agreements
[50:45] and contracts they should advise does.
[50:48] Correct.
[50:48] >> You're being advised.
[50:49] >> Whatever you want. What do you want it
[50:51] to be?
[50:52] >> Okay. Well, the bottom I mean that's
[50:53] your interpretation that you haven't
[50:55] been advised. This is an advisement. So
[50:57] what what
[50:58] >> I'm saying is that the council governs
[51:00] the body, right? The council governs the
[51:02] city, right?
[51:03] >> You have been advised.
[51:05] >> No. Before he goes and make any
[51:08] agreements, we should be
[51:10] >> This was not an agreement. This was we
[51:13] have to on a day-to-day basis move
[51:16] things forward. And so that's all this
[51:19] was. This was not coming to you with an
[51:22] agreement to be approved. This was to
[51:24] come to you with what was offered to us.
[51:27] And if the council was accepting of that
[51:30] or not, this is not us entering into an
[51:34] agreement tonight. This is only the fact
[51:37] Mr. [name]'s motion is to accept their
[51:39] offer. And if we accept that offer, then
[51:42] we can move forward with the agreement
[51:44] and then it will be an actual
[51:47] contractual agreement between the city
[51:49] and them. This is nothing more that we
[51:52] will bring back to you the next time.
[51:54] This is nothing more than the council
[51:56] determining the value. This is as open,
[52:00] transparent, and upfront as we can make
[52:02] anything.
[52:03] >> And let me let me just interject this
[52:05] one. The city doesn't do the daytoday. I
[52:09] mean the council doesn't do the daytoday
[52:11] operation. That's why people are in
[52:13] those position. That's in the scope of
[52:15] their job to do the daytoday paperwork.
[52:19] Then they bring it back as a whole and
[52:22] present it. But it is not the council's
[52:26] responsibility
[52:27] to oversee the general job. They bring
[52:31] you the summary of what they're hired to
[52:33] do and that's in their their and they
[52:37] don't even know what you don't even know
[52:38] the summary. You don't even know what's
[52:40] before the summary. You don't even know
[52:42] what they're doing at all. So, I'm just
[52:44] saying that's a job description.
[52:47] >> You you've had you have an agenda for a
[52:50] week,
[52:50] >> but he did this before the agenda.
[52:53] >> Okay. Well, with that being said,
[52:55] >> talk to these people.
[52:56] >> Okay. I make a motion we move on
[52:58] previous question already done that I'm
[53:01] saying just reiterating it is going out
[53:03] I mean
[53:04] >> I make a motion we move on the previous
[53:06] question I second
[53:07] >> enough
[53:08] >> I make a motion we move on
[53:09] >> let's go back to where we were made
[53:12] second please and that's the end the
[53:15] discussion is
[53:17] >> they just ended the discussion
[53:20] >> you've got a previous question motion
[53:21] and a second
[53:22] >> and it doesn't matter you can make it at
[53:24] any time
[53:26] End end of discussion.
[53:28] >> Hey, I could end discuss of discussion,
[53:31] >> Miss [name].
[53:32] >> End of discuss. No, read your part. You
[53:34] can do that.
[53:35] >> No,
[53:37] you have to have to vote on when we're
[53:39] in discussion. Discussion can be
[53:40] completed.
[53:42] >> It cannot.
[53:42] >> And then then uh
[53:43] >> it cannot be considered when you call
[53:45] for the question.
[53:46] >> He's already called. You have to stop
[53:48] the
[53:49] >> I got a second
[53:50] >> and it's a second now.
[53:52] >> All in favor of the previous question.
[53:53] All in favor of a previous motion. I I
[53:56] did read it.
[53:57] >> Okay. So,
[53:59] >> okay.
[53:59] >> Three full.
[54:01] >> Now you vote on move accepting their
[54:04] offer.
[54:05] >> Okay. That's what
[54:06] >> and I that's already on the table.
[54:07] >> And that was already on the table.
[54:09] >> Been seconded.
[54:10] >> Okay. It's been moved and second to
[54:11] accept offers. All in favor?
[54:14] >> I have to accept.
[54:15] >> Motion carries.
[54:20] >> All righty. Uh item number six.
[54:25] Is that the right one? Am I on the right
[54:27] one now?
[54:28] >> Yes, ma'am.
[54:29] >> Okay. Public hearing on planning and
[54:31] zoning commission final report with
[54:33] conclusion and recommendation for
[54:35] proposed zoning text amendments relating
[54:38] to homebased business. Open for the
[54:42] public hearing is officially open. Does
[54:44] anyone have any direct uh
[54:50] input
[54:54] the information that you have? Does
[54:56] anyone from the public have any
[54:58] comments?
[55:02] Going once,
[55:03] going twice.
[55:06] Hearing is closed. Okay. Bring us to
[55:09] item number seven. Consider and approve
[55:11] an ordinance of the city of Crockett,
[55:13] Texas, amending article three of the
[55:15] appendix A zoning of the Crockett code
[55:18] deleting section 308 home occupations
[55:22] in its uh entirety including the
[55:25] requirements for a home uh occupation
[55:29] permit or home I keeping my occupational
[55:33] conditional use permit issued by the
[55:35] city and replacing it with a substitute
[55:38] section 308 Homebased business and
[55:42] garage sales to comply with home bill
[55:45] 2464
[55:47] passed by the 89th Texas legislature
[55:50] relating to the authority of a
[55:52] municipality to regulate a homebased
[55:55] business permitting a no impact
[55:58] homebased business as defined by House
[56:01] Bill 2464 to operate by right in a
[56:05] residential district if the business is
[56:08] comp compatible
[56:10] compilable with the residential use of
[56:13] the property where the business is
[56:14] located is secondary to the use of the
[56:18] property as a residential dwelling or is
[56:21] adjacent to the property owned by the
[56:24] same owner and having a primary use as a
[56:27] residential dwelling is not a business
[56:30] that sells alcohol or illegal drug. is
[56:33] not a structured sober uh sober living
[56:36] home and is not a sexually oriented
[56:39] business as defined by text local
[56:42] government code section 243.02
[56:46] 02 incorporating curtain provision
[56:49] relating to the city's limitation to
[56:51] regulate commerce and firearms etc. and
[56:55] current provisions relating to garage
[56:58] sales into substituted section 308
[57:02] providing a servability clause
[57:04] containing a repealing clause and
[57:06] providing an effected date
[57:10] >> interpretation.
[57:11] Mayor and council, let me try to let me
[57:14] try to summize that pretty quick for
[57:17] you.
[57:19] >> Basically, House Bill 2464
[57:23] that the state legislature passed, it
[57:26] specifically prohibits a governing body
[57:28] or municipality
[57:30] from adopting or enforcing an ordinance
[57:33] that prohibits a no impact
[57:36] homebased business. And so basically
[57:38] what we're doing is adapting our
[57:42] ordinance to meet the state law is all
[57:44] this is doing. And there's several of
[57:46] those that will be coming forward. And
[57:48] that's all this is doing. And as far as
[57:50] the garage sales go, it it is included
[57:53] in this because that's where it fits in
[57:55] our ordinance. It doesn't change.
[57:57] There's no rule changes regarding garage
[58:00] sales in the city.
[58:01] >> People still be
[58:03] >> Yes, they they can still have them just
[58:04] the same way they did before. All this
[58:06] basically does is the state basically
[58:10] told the city you cannot regulate
[58:12] homebased businesses if they don't if
[58:16] they don't create a traffic hazard a
[58:18] this a that basically the state is
[58:21] taking the control away from the city of
[58:23] what we can regulate and we're codifying
[58:25] that because and it went to PNZ public
[58:28] hearing PNZ recommended council approve
[58:32] the ordinance change to codify it
[58:34] >> so it. I I didn't and I don't know this,
[58:38] but so just maybe think can someone have
[58:42] a at their house, can they have a garage
[58:45] sale every weekend?
[58:46] >> No, sir. Actually, uh
[58:50] >> according to our ordinance, they cannot
[58:52] be held more than twice a year.
[58:53] >> Okay.
[58:54] >> So, what you mean by like a homebased
[58:56] business? a homebased business. If
[58:58] you've got a perfect I mean if you if
[59:01] you're a baker, if you're selling cakes
[59:03] or cupcakes to somebody or whatever
[59:06] else, I mean something that you do out
[59:09] of your house that you make money from
[59:12] as long as it's not alcoholrelated,
[59:14] >> maybe even a nursery for children.
[59:16] >> Children, those kind of things. Yes,
[59:18] sir. And basically that's
[59:21] like I said, it's the state
[59:24] >> mandating
[59:24] >> mandating and it's just us codifying
[59:27] what we had. So we're legal with the
[59:30] state.
[59:30] >> So these would incur like fines and
[59:32] citations.
[59:33] Sir,
[59:34] >> these would incur fines and
[59:36] >> No, actually this loosens it up to where
[59:39] unless they we can still manage to make
[59:42] sure that they meet the fire and life
[59:43] safety code, you know, those kind of
[59:46] things, but it really
[59:48] >> well like they're cooking. You still
[59:51] have the the the state,
[59:54] >> right? Uh you you still have the state
[59:56] lady that comes by and checks you for
[59:59] >> department of health department
[1:00:01] referencing to the garage sales if they
[1:00:03] have more then how many's allowed
[1:00:05] >> down two per year but the garage sale
[1:00:07] component is it's just in this ordinance
[1:00:11] but the thing we're codifying is the
[1:00:13] homebased businesses as a whole that
[1:00:17] operate daily
[1:00:18] >> daily. Yeah. And so the garage sales
[1:00:21] would just put in the or it's in that
[1:00:22] ordinance anyway
[1:00:24] >> and their hours would not be limited,
[1:00:26] >> right? And they can't have an open sign.
[1:00:28] They the homebased business, you cannot
[1:00:30] put any signage that says that it's a
[1:00:33] business. I mean, that's the one thing
[1:00:35] the state did keep in there. But
[1:00:37] basically,
[1:00:39] >> if you've got a business that you run
[1:00:41] out of your household and you don't
[1:00:43] cause problems with the neighborhood,
[1:00:45] >> no signage,
[1:00:46] >> no signage,
[1:00:47] >> then the state says you can do it. Okay.
[1:00:49] >> And ours was different than that.
[1:00:50] >> Now, what about
[1:00:54] >> Well, I I I'll hold that.
[1:00:57] >> So, that's basically
[1:01:00] what that is. And uh that's a that whole
[1:01:03] thing basically is
[1:01:04] >> state change.
[1:01:05] >> That's lawyer talk for codifying that
[1:01:08] ordinance. Am I correct?
[1:01:09] >> Correct.
[1:01:10] >> Okay.
[1:01:11] >> So, they they they could they could put
[1:01:13] a commercial on the radio.
[1:01:15] >> Sure.
[1:01:15] >> And give their address. Just no signage
[1:01:18] on the property. No open signs,
[1:01:20] >> right?
[1:01:21] >> Yeah. Okay.
[1:01:24] >> Make a motion that we approve agenda
[1:01:26] item seven as read by mayor.
[1:01:30] >> Okay.
[1:01:31] >> I see.
[1:01:31] >> It's been moved and second. All in
[1:01:33] favor?
[1:01:35] >> Motion carries.
[1:01:36] >> And everybody don't forget national
[1:01:38] night out tomorrow night.
[1:01:40] >> Tomorrow we'll be hanging out together.
[1:01:42] >> Yes.
[1:01:43] >> And looking forward to everybody being
[1:01:45] there. Quick second.
