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Meeting: Crockett City Council, 2025-07-21
Title: Crockett City Council Meeting - 07/21/2025 - Part 1
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[0:00] both of our parks to cover all of our
[0:02] [segment omitted]
[0:05] somebody here. I think I'm on my way.
[0:08] >> Baby rocket
[0:10] >> and uh
[0:10] >> wait till we get to
[0:12] >> arena for Houston County Fair.
[0:14] >> Do they pay franchise fees?
[0:17] >> Yeah, they will.
[0:18] >> They'll do that anyway.
[0:19] >> They do that already.
[0:21] >> This is just for
[0:26] >> Did you see another one?
[0:29] one of these that I had. I think it was
[0:31] two of them
[0:32] >> cable. Yeah. And so this other one
[0:35] broadband through
[0:36] >> through or TV. They have to pick one or
[0:39] the other or phone phones or
[0:41] >> Oh, I already said that. I'm I'm
[0:43] notorious for putting it in my bag and
[0:45] and hiding it.
[0:48] >> Windream.
[0:49] >> I thought I saw another one
[0:50] >> internet and phone
[0:54] 6:00.
[0:59] house.
[1:00] >> Oh, okay. House.
[1:03] >> Okay, thank you.
[1:13] >> All right, we'll give Richard I mean
[1:16] Richard.
[1:17] I don't know where I got Richard from.
[1:23] >> Hey,
[1:24] >> give him time to make it to the seat.
[1:28] Okay, good evening everyone. We're about
[1:30] to open our council meeting. It's 6
[1:32] o'clock. Um we're open with an
[1:35] invocation and a pledge.
[1:40] >> Let us pray. Heavenly Father, we come to
[1:42] you this afternoon. We thank you for
[1:45] this day and thank you for the
[1:47] opportunity to gather here this
[1:48] afternoon pertaining to all of the
[1:51] business of our our city. We thank you
[1:53] for all of the citizens that are here
[1:55] today and we ask your blessing upon this
[1:58] meeting. And Lord, tonight we just lift
[1:59] up all of the grieving families in our
[2:01] community that has lost loved ones. We
[2:03] just pray over them uh tonight, Lord,
[2:06] and just uh use us for your praise and
[2:09] glory and honor. And in Christ Jesus
[2:10] name we pray. Amen.
[2:12] >> Amen. I pledge I pledge algiance to the
[2:16] flag of the United States of America and
[2:20] to the republic for which it stands. One
[2:23] nation under God, indivisible, with
[2:26] liberty and justice for all.
[2:35] >> Good evening everyone once again. So
[2:36] glad that you've chosen to join us. Um,
[2:39] this is our council meeting for July 21,
[2:44] 2025.
[2:45] Uh, with that being said, we would like
[2:47] to recognize, we're recognizing all our
[2:49] visitors now. Like I said, thank you for
[2:50] taking our time for it. Seemed like I've
[2:53] been away a long time. You missed one
[2:54] meeting, it's like, wow, a long time has
[2:57] passed in between that. So glad to be
[2:59] back with you. Uh so with that
[3:01] recognition we have uh well we have one
[3:04] comment
[3:06] uh from the audience. Stephen
[3:10] >> Milhouse Bar
[3:11] >> Milhouse Bar uh you may come.
[3:16] Stephen,
[3:19] >> are you Stephen?
[3:22] >> Stephen.
[3:26] >> Okay. Um
[3:28] >> um I'm sorry. Are you Stephen? Standards
[3:30] will allow bar.
[3:31] >> Okay. Where you would
[3:33] >> private area specific.
[3:34] >> Okay. Let me just uh explain the
[3:37] process.
[3:38] >> Uh okay. It's going to be difficult. Uh
[3:41] you'll be able to come to the mic. You
[3:43] have three minutes to express yourself
[3:45] and at that time no one on the council
[3:47] will respond simply because at this time
[3:50] it's strictly what you have to say.
[3:51] >> Yes. Could could a letter also follow up
[3:54] at a later date on this on this subject
[3:59] letter?
[4:00] >> Okay, you may express what you said, but
[4:02] we won't respond to you because that
[4:04] this is just strictly that. So, if you
[4:06] need to speak into the mic
[4:09] on this thing, is there going to be a
[4:12] definition particularly with floods that
[4:15] would differentiate from any other
[4:17] thing, any other warning coming over the
[4:19] siren?
[4:24] Okay. So, I guess that address later on
[4:28] >> because we're not suggesting as some
[4:29] kind of code or something at least
[4:31] define that because that is a a imminent
[4:35] threat more so than a whole bunch of
[4:39] others because we have more more warning
[4:42] time than others. Uh number two is the
[4:46] city of Crockett, Texas and perhaps all
[4:50] other city in Texas
[4:54] uh
[4:56] could accommodate in the education
[4:59] system
[5:01] uh grades 1 through six
[5:05] a whole economics
[5:08] uh course
[5:11] in the curriculum.
[5:13] that would address safety issues and
[5:16] emergencies to those children in a uh
[5:21] what do you call it a knowledgeable
[5:23] intelligent intelligent method
[5:27] and u
[5:29] u particularly uh I'm referring to the
[5:32] the problems we had in with the fire
[5:35] last year months ago and so if that
[5:39] could be incorporated even city, county,
[5:44] state, and federal
[5:46] with home economics course uh is a part
[5:52] of that students
[5:55] grade uh curriculum. Doesn't have to be
[5:59] a whole time incorporated into that. So,
[6:02] is anybody have any questions or
[6:04] answers? Those are my concerns. Is there
[6:07] any response to this or
[6:09] >> No.
[6:10] >> Okay. Okay. Thank you.
[6:12] >> Thank you. U just for clarification
[6:15] during the moment when you do the your
[6:18] three minutes uh it's not according to
[6:21] policy the council will not respond. We
[6:23] will hear you but we won't make a
[6:25] response to what you said but we do
[6:28] appreciate anyone that has comments or
[6:30] recommendation. So thank you again.
[6:34] And that brings us to um
[6:38] item number one, approval of minutes
[6:41] from the regular session July 7, 2025.
[6:44] And once again on the minutes,
[6:48] uh it's basically you agree that the
[6:50] minutes are there and not whether they
[6:53] people told the truth to your
[6:56] understanding. It's just an approval
[6:57] that the minutes were taken and that's
[7:00] all it is.
[7:02] Not to the quality of what's in the
[7:04] minutes. I know we've had some question.
[7:05] They say, "Y'all approve this." No, you
[7:07] just approved that the minutes went
[7:09] forth and that statement happened
[7:11] whether you agreed with it or not.
[7:14] >> I mean, does everyone understand what
[7:16] meant? So, it's if you said something is
[7:18] wrong in the minutes, it is not it's
[7:20] just that it was recorded as was and not
[7:23] with a discussion.
[7:25] >> I make a motion to approve.
[7:27] >> I second. Okay. It's been moved and
[7:29] second.
[7:32] All in favor? Yes.
[7:34] >> All oppose? Motion carries. Okay, that
[7:37] brings us to the reports of police
[7:39] department manpower and criminal
[7:40] incident report for June 2025.
[7:45] >> Good evening, mayor, council, citiz
[7:49] manpower and criminal activity report
[7:50] for June 2025.
[7:53] Total of 16 officers worked 2527
[7:57] hours. responded to 424 calls,
[8:01] investigated six traffic accidents, made
[8:04] 43 arrests, issued 39 390 traffic
[8:09] citations, completed 77 reports, and
[8:13] responded to 17 alarm calls. 14 of those
[8:16] 17 were false alarm. Below, you'll see a
[8:19] breakdown of our criminal report. I'll
[8:22] entertain any questions you may have.
[8:27] >> I know that is been asked a little bit
[8:30] about the high presence of law
[8:33] enforcement from outside the police
[8:35] department with the with the uh highway
[8:38] patrol and others. Can you kind of just
[8:41] give a highlight on what that is?
[8:43] >> So, especially for the Fourth of July
[8:45] event, the fireworks event, I requested
[8:47] the sheriff's office and DPS to to join
[8:51] us and help patrol the streets and be in
[8:54] the area during our event. Those are
[8:58] prime
[8:59] times and prime targets for things to
[9:01] happen. So the more law enforcement
[9:03] presence we have, the less likely
[9:05] something something is to happen. So
[9:08] especially during that event, you saw a
[9:10] higher presence of law enforcement than
[9:12] normal. That's something that we
[9:14] requested from the state and from the
[9:17] sheriff's office. And I know currently
[9:19] with the state, they they finally gotten
[9:21] back up to full staff for their highway
[9:22] patrol in our county. So, I think we're
[9:24] going to see a larger presence of
[9:26] highway patrol just because they're back
[9:28] up to fully staff.
[9:31] >> Okay.
[9:32] >> There's been a lot up there
[9:35] on the loop.
[9:38] >> Is that That's not normal. I mean,
[9:40] they're normally in the county. What is
[9:44] >> So, that's not anything that we've
[9:46] requested. Uh, but that's also something
[9:48] that's up to their their chain command.
[9:51] They can stop traffic. they can run
[9:53] traffic anywhere really.
[9:56] Um, so that's that's something we have
[9:59] to address with the uh the DPS as to why
[10:03] we're doing that.
[10:05] >> Okay. And how is the since we've got the
[10:09] new signs, blinking signs, uh, have we
[10:12] been how's the 18-wheeler situation on
[10:16] the square?
[10:16] >> So, the truth is I don't know that it's
[10:18] really slowed down a whole lot. I do
[10:20] think that it's helped a little bit. Um,
[10:23] just in the month of June so far, I
[10:25] think we've issued 16 citations to truck
[10:29] drivers coming through downtown or
[10:30] failing to take the truck route.
[10:33] Some of those some of those trucks that
[10:34] come in, they do have a legal purpose to
[10:37] to be in downtown if they're making a
[10:38] delivery the furniture store, Brookshire
[10:41] Brothers or places on the square. And
[10:44] the truth is there just some of those
[10:45] trucks that we just don't catch. because
[10:48] the officers are out on calls or they're
[10:50] in other parts of the town. We receive
[10:52] calls sometimes from citizens saying,
[10:54] "Hey, there's a truck coming across the
[10:55] square." We do try to get there and get
[10:58] them stopped in time, but but not all
[11:00] the time that that happens. And I will
[11:03] say there are times that people may see
[11:05] the officers get behind the truck on the
[11:07] square and they're going to follow it
[11:08] out of town because if they stop that
[11:10] truck on the square on any one of the
[11:12] side streets, it's going to completely
[11:14] shut down. So, um, there are times that
[11:18] you may see an officer falling behind a
[11:21] truck. What he's doing is he's waiting
[11:23] until he gets in an area where it's a
[11:25] little safer to make that stop.
[11:29] >> Think that's a good thing.
[11:31] >> Any other
[11:33] >> I had one thing. If council doesn't have
[11:35] anything, I'd like to thank the police
[11:37] department and the fire department. I'll
[11:39] catch [name]. Um both of y'all were very
[11:42] supportive of our community events in
[11:45] the um at the housing authorities. Uh we
[11:47] had two and we're going to have uh two
[11:50] next week. And so um we're doing some
[11:54] public safety messaging to them. Um how
[11:57] to keep the plumbing safe, the what
[11:59] things that they can pour down their
[12:01] drains, things that shouldn't be poured
[12:03] down. And had a really nice event. The
[12:05] housing authority did a snow cone
[12:07] machine and popcorn. and we had a
[12:09] giveaway and uh anyway just good turnout
[12:12] and we it's really nice when all the
[12:16] fire departments, police departments
[12:17] come and let people you know people
[12:19] spray the fire hose and things like and
[12:22] be involved. So thank you
[12:24] >> and yeah it was a really good job found
[12:27] out if you put potatoes into a sink
[12:30] regardless if you pour water you make
[12:32] mashed potato and it clogs up the city.
[12:35] That was what I my takeaway. But they
[12:38] did a really good the things that you
[12:39] didn't really really think about. They
[12:41] shared so much and they I mean I think
[12:44] council was here at one or two with but
[12:48] it was quite a few and the the the gifts
[12:51] were really nice and the information was
[12:53] wonderful
[12:54] >> and I have to apologize because I didn't
[12:56] follow I didn't read the rules didn't
[12:58] know the rules but uh one of my
[13:00] giveaways was a swimming pool and they
[13:03] they're not allowed to have swimming
[13:05] pools
[13:06] >> you going to get a sticker.
[13:07] >> So I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, but the
[13:10] baby but the baby left with a smooth.
[13:13] >> She can't play.
[13:14] >> Yeah,
[13:16] in the house
[13:18] >> out of sight. Well, thank you so much.
[13:20] We appreciate that. At this time, um we
[13:24] have our fire department
[13:26] monthly activity status report.
[13:29] >> Good evening, Mayor Council.
[13:30] >> Good evening.
[13:31] >> For the month of June, we had a total of
[13:34] 40 calls. 27 of those being respons
[13:49] like the water is slowing things down.
[13:51] >> Yes.
[14:03] I want to thank you uh for for our visit
[14:06] the other day. Promised I was coming and
[14:08] I did come and I appreciate you kind of
[14:10] giving me a tour and give me an
[14:13] explanation of how everything has
[14:14] actually ran. So I appreciate that.
[14:19] >> Y'all welcome by
[14:23] questions.
[14:29] Thank you.
[14:30] >> Thank you. Appreciate it.
[14:34] >> Okay. Uh
[14:36] at this time, we're the item number for
[14:39] our business. Um considering approving a
[14:42] reappoint of members to the parks and
[14:45] recreation board. Mayor and council,
[14:48] this is the time of year when our some
[14:51] of our commissions and boards expire, uh
[14:53] their appointments expire. And so on the
[14:57] parks and reccks board, uh these members
[14:59] have all um wished um all wished to be
[15:04] reappointed.
[15:05] Um
[15:08] the parks and reccks board, we've seen
[15:09] that as one. I know recently they
[15:11] haven't been very busy. we haven't had
[15:14] money to spend or, you know, activities
[15:17] going on that required their input, but
[15:20] they're an invaluable board um to bring
[15:22] in a public perception and and kind of
[15:26] advise us on expenses and priorities and
[15:29] things that they need, you know, that
[15:31] and kind of look out for us a little
[15:33] bit. So, it's an advisory board.
[15:36] >> Um, and these are the members.
[15:38] >> These all come up at the same time.
[15:39] >> Yes, sir.
[15:42] One of Oh, I'm sorry. One of the I mean
[15:45] while you're doing while we're just in
[15:47] general because one of the things I
[15:48] would just like to u encourage the board
[15:50] members I I know you see them a lot but
[15:52] there are a lot of different things
[15:54] taking place in the park and around
[15:56] >> and even when you're not having meetings
[15:58] I think it's a good idea just to get a
[16:00] feel for what kind of activities that
[16:03] are taking place over there and it
[16:06] >> and you know I think it just give you a
[16:08] feel for where we need to look for more
[16:09] money and where we
[16:11] >> but there there have been I've noticed
[16:13] the increase in birthday parties and
[16:16] family gatherings and and it is really
[16:19] really busy.
[16:20] >> Both parks stay really busy. We um we'd
[16:23] like to continue bringing in some
[16:25] grants. Hopefully we can land the the
[16:28] big one that we've applied for. Um and
[16:31] so if that does happen, then once again
[16:34] the parks board advisory board would
[16:37] will get busy again if we if we do get
[16:40] that grant.
[16:41] >> That's good. So, I just make a
[16:43] recommendation that we appoint those
[16:44] that are currently on the board and wish
[16:47] to serve again.
[16:48] >> I make a motion that we approve the
[16:50] reappoint of the members to the parks
[16:52] and recreation board.
[16:54] >> Second.
[16:54] >> It's been moved and second. All in
[16:56] favor?
[16:59] Motion carries.
[17:01] Okay. Bring us to the next one.
[17:05] >> The next board is uh the reappoint of
[17:08] members to the board of adjustments. Uh
[17:11] the board of adjustments serves in a
[17:13] capacity that when
[17:15] when um there's an appeal process or
[17:18] there's a request for a special
[17:20] exception
[17:21] um for ordinances and code code
[17:24] enforcement issues. Um this is the first
[17:27] process of appeal um for the citizens to
[17:30] appeal um
[17:33] code and you know our local ordinances
[17:36] and code enforcement issues. Um and then
[17:38] after that it can be escalated to uh
[17:41] council. But these are four members that
[17:43] y'all appoint to hear the citizens.
[17:46] Um and they're wishing to um continue
[17:50] their service. Michael Briner, Joe
[17:52] Denman, David Tyer, Samantha Wy, and
[17:54] Lois Ball.
[17:58] >> Okay.
[18:00] What's the council pleasure?
[18:01] >> I make a motion that we accept the
[18:04] reappoints of the board of adjustments.
[18:08] Second.
[18:09] >> Okay. So moved and second. All in favor?
[18:12] Motion carries? No opposed.
[18:15] All right.
[18:17] >> Next one, mayor and council, is the
[18:19] reappoint and new appointment of members
[18:21] to the library advisory board. This is a
[18:24] a very active board. Um we have lots of
[18:27] lots of programming um and and needs for
[18:30] this advisory board. Um, current members
[18:34] are Jessica James, Paula Hackett, Linda
[18:36] Bulock, Ashley Sibi, Ashley Young, and
[18:39] um, Mr. Jose Cruz uh, resigned requested
[18:43] to uh, drop off the board and
[18:47] uh, the public the advisory board of the
[18:50] library
[18:52] went out and tried to find some others
[18:54] that were wishing to serve and they
[18:56] recommended uh, Miss Alicia Bailey.
[18:59] >> Good job. So that would be up to y'all
[19:01] to nominate and approve. So she'll be
[19:03] the new member and the rest will be
[19:05] reappoints.
[19:06] >> And these are three years.
[19:07] >> So we separate them.
[19:09] >> They would all be um
[19:13] >> So I'm sorry. Yes, you're you're
[19:15] correct. We do the reappoint.
[19:16] >> So the two reappoints are Jessica James,
[19:18] Paula Hackett, and the new appointment
[19:20] is Alicia Bailey, and those are all
[19:22] effective this month.
[19:24] >> The new appointment. So you can do those
[19:26] in one motion.
[19:28] >> Okay. I make a motion that we re we
[19:31] reappoint
[19:32] um all those who are members that need
[19:35] reappointing namely Jessica James and
[19:38] Paula Hacket.
[19:39] >> Okay.
[19:39] >> Um and and uh nominate
[19:43] and and appoint a nominated name which
[19:46] was which is Alicia Bailey.
[19:48] >> Alicia Bailey
[19:49] >> uh to serve on the Crockett Public
[19:51] Library Advisory Board.
[19:53] >> Okay,
[19:54] >> I second.
[19:55] >> Okay, it's been moved and second. All in
[19:57] favor?
[19:59] Motion carries.
[20:01] Okay.
[20:02] >> Thank you.
[20:04] >> It's good to have people that want to
[20:06] work on the boards.
[20:08] >> It's not as easy to feel as you would
[20:10] think.
[20:11] >> So, thank all of you that are here for
[20:13] your service. Uh brings us to item
[20:17] number five.
[20:19] Consider and approve reappoint
[20:21] men. Oh, I got them all in there. Okay.
[20:24] Five and six. I'm sorry. Five and six.
[20:27] Now we're down to seven. Item number
[20:29] seven, a public hearing on the planning
[20:31] and zoning commission final report for
[20:33] recommended zoning map amendments to
[20:36] change the zoning district from M
[20:39] manufacturing
[20:41] warehousing and wholesale district to R2
[20:46] to two family residential district or to
[20:49] R3
[20:51] multiple family residential district for
[20:53] several parcels of land within a strip
[20:56] of priorities. generally located between
[20:59] Martin Luther King Junior Boulevard on
[21:02] the east sycamore street or Sycamore
[21:06] Street right of way on the west and the
[21:09] west golad avenue on the north and the
[21:12] Berles Avenue on the south
[21:15] mayor and council um this this is a
[21:19] request that was initiated we had a
[21:22] couple
[21:23] local property owners requesting to
[21:27] um either build homes or go through a
[21:30] specific use permit uh for a home
[21:33] in a manufacturing area. This this whole
[21:36] strip of land is currently designated as
[21:38] manufacturing. And so
[21:41] that brought it to our attention that
[21:44] instead of spot zoning is what it's
[21:46] called is when you have a a whole
[21:48] manufacturing district and you spot zone
[21:51] you do a spot zone change that does not
[21:54] fit the overall
[21:57] designation. you you start create that's
[21:59] the that's the point of having zoning is
[22:01] to have people that maybe don't don't
[22:04] want loud noises or sounds beside them
[22:06] and manufacturing um right next to their
[22:09] house. Um, and so we were basically
[22:13] doing the opposite, allowing homes to go
[22:15] in within a manufacturing area. And it
[22:20] really brought to attention the other
[22:21] homes that are already currently in that
[22:24] strip of land that are not probably not
[22:27] aware that they're in a manufacturing
[22:29] district that was zoned back back in the
[22:31] 70s initially and it kind of went
[22:33] through a few updates, but that area was
[22:35] just never really zoned. At that time,
[22:37] there were some manufacturing. There's
[22:38] some feed stores and some stuff along
[22:41] MLK Commerce and stuff. So, there just
[22:42] kind of a block of land designated for
[22:44] manufacturing. However, all those have
[22:46] gone away and residential seems to be
[22:48] the prominent use. Um,
[22:51] that being said, our infrastructure is
[22:53] not developed in that area. The the
[22:55] streets, they're residentially zoned
[22:56] streets. Our our water and sewer,
[22:59] electricity, gas, all of those are not
[23:01] manufacturing
[23:03] capacity. So, we would request that we
[23:07] do another oneb block change back to its
[23:09] current uses and to help other people
[23:12] that want to develop the land um for
[23:14] residential uses and protect those that
[23:16] are already there. Um I do have a couple
[23:19] uh a map
[23:23] and in your package you do have the
[23:24] report from PNZ, but this is the map
[23:29] starting right here is MLK. This is West
[23:32] Golad at the top right here beside the
[23:34] railroad tracks is the underpass on West
[23:36] Golad. And so just following from there,
[23:39] one block over going south,
[23:42] continuing to go south, you get up to
[23:45] West Bell Avenue. All of that will be R2
[23:48] until you get to the block closest to
[23:51] West Bell. Bell currently has a couple
[23:54] manufacturing
[23:56] commercial
[23:58] current uses along Bell.
[24:01] leave that
[24:04] manufacturing
[24:06] across the road. That first block is
[24:09] also most of it probably needs to be
[24:11] demolished. Those those buildings, they
[24:13] need to be they need to go through some
[24:16] planning or some uh u code enforcement
[24:19] to clean some of those lots up. But this
[24:23] vac these are all vacant and houses that
[24:25] need uh demolished already. There's two
[24:27] vacant lots here that would be impacted
[24:29] and one house that is completely
[24:31] unlivable is falling in. And so it would
[24:35] make sense to keep that manufacturing
[24:37] since it would be undeveloped land.
[24:40] And then moving south further, we go
[24:43] back to residential to as we get up
[24:46] closer to it Williams Park and the
[24:48] residential other blocks that are
[24:50] currently residential. we would switch
[24:53] back from commercial and get back into
[24:54] residential to get close to the
[24:57] residential uses current. Um,
[25:02] does that is that I know it's kind of a
[25:06] short explanation, but does that make
[25:07] sense or are there any questions on
[25:09] that?
[25:11] We do have two current
[25:14] at least one one other a request but
[25:17] they're not moving forward but the other
[25:19] one they're waiting on go
[25:21] >> for this to happen so they can start
[25:23] their process for a residential use
[25:28] >> what are we in discussion so basic so I
[25:32] kind of like some of my constituents of
[25:34] concern because you have a family member
[25:37] that owns property um I think in that
[25:40] area. So, they were asking that in the
[25:43] event to make any decision any decisions
[25:47] um on property in that area, would you
[25:50] be uh would you recuse yourself from
[25:54] making any decisions um on any of that
[25:57] property?
[25:58] >> Right. Well, I'm not a decision maker,
[25:59] so I just present it to y'all to make
[26:01] the decision. There is a family there,
[26:03] Mr. Timothy Ard. Timothy Ard two houses
[26:06] down from West Golad.
[26:09] um
[26:10] is is purchasing a home um under owner
[26:14] finance from my my father. Um but that's
[26:17] also um I stand nothing to gain or lose
[26:20] from this. This is for the residents
[26:22] that live there. He's currently the
[26:24] owner because he's under owner
[26:25] financing. Mr. Timothy,
[26:27] >> and you're asking [name] to
[26:29] >> I don't
[26:31] have the reason I asked that because he
[26:33] was saying
[26:34] >> [name] never makes a a vote on this.
[26:36] >> But
[26:37] >> he never makes a vote. Why would you
[26:39] even ask that?
[26:40] >> Because the charter
[26:42] >> the charter he's just presenting this if
[26:44] I'm a vote.
[26:45] >> That's a slap in the face.
[26:46] >> No.
[26:47] >> Okay. That we're going to hold off one
[26:49] second.
[26:49] >> Say it said employee
[26:53] >> doesn't matter if you're making a
[26:54] decision. Yes, ma'am.
[26:55] >> Yes. I'm not making a decision.
[26:56] >> Well, it's the Okay. Let's just
[26:59] >> We make the decisions. He don't. He
[27:01] presents it. We make the decisions.
[27:02] >> Okay. Well, we'll stop for one second.
[27:05] Okay. even though and what the question
[27:07] was
[27:08] >> would it influence him because he
[27:11] doesn't have a vote in it wouldn't
[27:13] influence him either way whether he was
[27:15] employed or not employed or whether he
[27:17] was a part of it so that what this is
[27:19] going to depend on it would depend on
[27:21] the council voting and the council would
[27:24] be the only one that would determine
[27:26] whether this this would be allotted. So
[27:28] that would like you said it's kind of
[27:30] irreverent in the sense that he wouldn't
[27:33] have a vote either way.
[27:35] It was fully disclosed and reported
[27:36] >> and it was and what the question is. So
[27:40] right now with it being posted the
[27:43] strongest concerns would come from those
[27:46] that have residential that have because
[27:49] it would go to a residential area and
[27:51] that's what it's being moved to and
[27:53] right now it is residential property.
[27:57] So, um, with that being said,
[28:00] >> this is a public hearing. Um,
[28:02] >> and the public is free to speak. We had
[28:05] a public hearing through planning and
[28:06] zoning. Um, everyone that showed up
[28:09] spoke in favor of it. They did have some
[28:11] questions as to the process. Once it was
[28:14] explained to them, everyone was in
[28:16] favor. We did, I think Mr. [name] has
[28:19] another letter. She requested it to be
[28:21] read today because she could not attend,
[28:22] but she is a homeowner there.
[28:25] >> Okay. We receive this today is from
[28:27] Gloria Baker. She says, "My name is
[28:30] Gloria Baker, property owner of 808
[28:32] Sycamore Street in Crockett, Texas. I
[28:34] will not be able to attend the meeting
[28:36] tonight due to travel and long distance.
[28:39] My vote is to ensure the area listed be
[28:42] residential only. I recommend planning
[28:45] and zoning for residential."
[28:48] >> Now, don't get me wrong. I want to see
[28:51] it residential cuz I do I was voted in
[28:54] by the constituents. Sure.
[28:55] >> And if they have a concern, I have to
[28:57] bring that concern forward.
[28:59] >> Well, you stated it.
[29:00] >> Got you.
[29:00] >> That's it. You stated and it has been
[29:02] addressed.
[29:03] >> I'm trying to see what's like you're
[29:06] doing it just for a few people that want
[29:08] to receive it or we just
[29:10] >> you're doing what?
[29:11] >> So, we put we sent out certified letter
[29:13] to every um resident, every person that
[29:17] lives
[29:19] >> and owns property. even if they don't
[29:21] own even if they don't live there, they
[29:22] receive letters
[29:24] >> explaining the process, giving them a
[29:25] phone number to call for questions.
[29:28] >> It's it's an attempt. We could have
[29:30] ignored this and just trucked on and
[29:32] made one by one.
[29:35] >> Um but it didn't feel like it was in the
[29:37] best entrance of all the people that
[29:39] currently live there. We're not looking
[29:41] out for them. If a if a tire shop can
[29:43] move in next door to one of them and
[29:45] they wake up and you know they bought it
[29:47] maybe 10 years ago and didn't know this
[29:49] is a manufacturing zone, we have no
[29:51] recourse to say a tire shop or something
[29:54] else a
[29:56] commercial business move in next door to
[29:57] them working all night, you know. And
[30:00] so, um, in that in that intent to look
[30:02] out for the the entire group of
[30:05] homeowners and the people that own
[30:07] property that might want to develop it
[30:08] for more homes that are currently
[30:10] restricted, um, it benefits everyone.
[30:14] >> Like a a barber shop, something that
[30:16] might not be as loud.
[30:17] >> Yeah. So, we have two manufacturing
[30:20] zones that that would fit into.
[30:23] Um if it's in those other two areas,
[30:26] then that could also be considered it's
[30:29] called um a commercial one. So it's a C
[30:31] it's residential commercial use and they
[30:35] can request for it. They just ask for a
[30:37] specific use or a spot or a zone to for
[30:40] that specific use. But then you at least
[30:42] have some control that it's not
[30:45] something that you that it's really
[30:47] unsightly like a barber shop would be.
[30:49] They can request it and go through the
[30:51] process. If you flip the cards and it's
[30:54] all manufacturing, anything can happen.
[30:56] And we and the neighbors can't stop it.
[30:58] We can't stop it. So to best look out
[31:01] for them,
[31:03] um that's a request and concurrence with
[31:06] everybody that owns and lives there,
[31:08] owns property and lives there, everybody
[31:09] agrees that it's good for them.
[31:13] >> So just to back it up, just to ensure
[31:14] that you knew I was coming from the Yes,
[31:16] ma'am. charter um article what 15 um
[31:20] section 153 personal interest where it
[31:23] says no officer or employee of the city
[31:26] of Crockett shall have a financial
[31:28] interest direct or indirect in any
[31:31] contract with the city of Crockett or be
[31:34] financially interested directly or
[31:36] indirectly in the sale to or by the city
[31:40] of Crockett of any land except on behalf
[31:43] of the city of Rocket as an officer or
[31:46] employee anyone will willingfully
[31:48] violation of this section shall
[31:52] constitute a feeence in office uh and
[31:55] any any officer of employee guilty
[31:58] thereof shall forfeit his office or
[32:01] position so I'm just wear
[32:05] and who up here has that
[32:07] >> okay excuse me
[32:08] >> who up here has that
[32:09] >> are you following me
[32:10] >> I'm just saying who up here has that
[32:12] >> has what he interest he he has interest
[32:15] What I'm saying? No, I don't. Let me
[32:16] explain to you. No, I don't.
[32:18] >> Okay, hold up. What's the outcome?
[32:19] >> Okay, we don't. Okay, hold up.
[32:21] >> What explain to you is that he has
[32:23] indirect cuz his dad
[32:25] >> he has no interest in that. He is his
[32:28] own person.
[32:30] >> But if if anything was happening, one if
[32:33] I was making any if I was deciding
[32:36] decisions tonight
[32:37] >> and or I stood to benefit, I would have
[32:40] to recuse. None of those are the case.
[32:41] We're not selling land. We're not we're
[32:43] not agreeing entering into contracts. No
[32:46] money is passing anyway. So it's
[32:48] irrelevant. As
[32:49] >> far as I know, he has never placed a
[32:51] vote at all on this.
[32:54] >> Explaining
[32:56] what my concern was
[32:58] at this time. Hold up. Hold up. Bring
[33:01] that up.
[33:01] >> Hey, hey, hey, hey. One second, sir.
[33:04] >> No, nobody's arguing. You stated yours.
[33:06] You're having a conversation. Okay.
[33:07] We've heard it. It's done. It's done. We
[33:10] Thank you.
[33:10] >> I just want to make sure.
[33:11] >> Thank you. There you go.
[33:12] >> Thank you. Okay. Now, we're we're past
[33:15] that. It's already been discussed,
[33:17] already been covered because it doesn't
[33:19] apply at this point. So, the question
[33:22] that was on is that we were dealing with
[33:24] the fact
[33:26] about how it was posted and I think that
[33:28] was explained fully and that right now
[33:31] the majority of the land is residential.
[33:34] The point of it was to protect those
[33:36] that had houses and land over there
[33:38] already. There will be two designated
[33:40] section for manufacturing but right now
[33:44] the way it is written any manufacturer
[33:47] can move in there and there's nothing
[33:49] that can be done about it because it has
[33:51] been designated as that area. You can't
[33:54] really deny them. So the protection the
[33:57] people that have homes over there
[33:58] wouldn't be fully protected. The goal
[34:01] today is to open it up to those people
[34:05] who are most affected by it to have
[34:07] their opinion. Do they want it to change
[34:10] to residential
[34:12] first? That would be their choice. And
[34:15] if you seen all of the announcement,
[34:16] everybody has been notified. They have
[34:18] giant signs in every area of it. And so
[34:21] that's where it would go. So whether it
[34:24] comes down when it comes to the final
[34:28] part of it and like you say everyone can
[34:30] have it but it's not open for just a
[34:33] I mean the rules are not going to
[34:35] change. It's open to the people that are
[34:38] able to vote on it and that's where it's
[34:41] going to take.
[34:42] >> Has there been a response from those?
[34:44] >> Yeah. And those are the ones that are
[34:46] affected by
[34:47] >> response.
[34:48] >> No negative. Okay.
[34:49] >> They were all requesting that it happen.
[34:51] >> Okay.
[34:51] >> They want to protect your name. vote.
[34:53] This is a public hearing. So, if we have
[34:55] any um people in the public tonight that
[34:57] would like
[34:58] >> to speak for or against
[35:00] >> that are vested parties
[35:03] >> um that own property there, then the
[35:06] public hearing is open for them.
[35:10] >> Okay. Is it
[35:13] does no one else have any public
[35:16] >> Okay.
[35:18] So, at this time, we're officially
[35:21] closing the public hearing.
[35:22] >> I make a motion to
[35:25] >> agenda. Motion. Yeah.
[35:30] >> Okay.
[35:32] Now,
[35:33] >> number eight.
[35:33] >> And now we go to number eight.
[35:36] >> Okay. Consider and approve planning and
[35:38] zoning commission recommended zoning map
[35:40] amendments identified in the
[35:41] commissioner's final report.
[35:44] Item number eight.
[35:56] Are there any other questions on the
[35:58] zoning
[36:00] recommendation their map?
[36:04] >> Just to be clear, so you make it
[36:06] residential and for small business, not
[36:09] no big tire shop or something like that.
[36:11] if they want to come in, they can always
[36:14] come to the city
[36:16] >> like we do.
[36:18] >> Yes, sir.
[36:20] >> And if it's in this block here, the
[36:22] first block on the side of uh Mr. Bats
[36:26] and if it's on the other side, both of
[36:28] those blocks are manufacturally zoned.
[36:31] So, they're very liberally commercially
[36:33] zoned. You can do quite a few
[36:37] >> commercial activities on those two
[36:39] blocks. talking about in the other
[36:41] >> and then the other ones they would just
[36:43] present their request to the PNZ and the
[36:45] council and council approves to
[36:47] >> change just that one specific area just
[36:50] to make sure that it's something that
[36:53] >> marries up well you know it's something
[36:55] they want beside a residential
[36:57] >> that is
[36:59] like a barber shop
[37:00] >> property owners don't come to say no
[37:02] >> right
[37:03] >> you know what I'm saying
[37:03] >> because they have the ability the
[37:05] property owners have the ability
[37:06] >> you live when you live around there you
[37:08] know
[37:08] >> yeah what I'm It's more than 15 people.
[37:11] Might be 15 people to say yes.
[37:13] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then that'd be
[37:15] good for you.
[37:17] >> All right. Any other
[37:20] conversation?
[37:24] >> So,
[37:26] is it ready for
[37:27] >> Yes, ma'am.
[37:28] >> Okay. Can we get a motion? I make a
[37:30] motion to consider and approve the
[37:32] planning and zoning commission's uh
[37:34] recommended recommended zoning map
[37:37] amendments identified in the
[37:39] commission's final report.
[37:41] >> Okay, we have a uh
[37:43] >> I see.
[37:44] >> Okay, it's been moved and second. All in
[37:45] favor?
[37:47] Motion carries.
[37:49] >> Okay, it moves us to item number nine.
[37:53] Consider and approve lease agreement
[37:55] between the city of Crockett, Texas and
[37:58] Watch Band Texas LLC.
[38:02] Mayor and Council, this is uh Watch
[38:04] Brand approached us. Um
[38:08] the water tower that's out by the school
[38:11] school district across the road by the
[38:13] state school.
[38:15] that area is underserved for broadband
[38:18] for for um internet
[38:20] and watch is really wanting to bump up
[38:22] services on that side of town. Um that
[38:25] being said, our water tower is
[38:28] 130 ft in the air and prime real estate
[38:31] for them to put a small repeater on that
[38:35] would give service to that area. So they
[38:37] they request they came to us and asked
[38:39] if we would consider allowing them to
[38:43] mount that hardware to the top of the
[38:44] tower
[38:47] in lie of services. So they asked for a
[38:50] and and we've been thinking about it. We
[38:52] just never really took the initi took
[38:55] the step of paying for internet in
[38:59] certain areas that it just hard to kind
[39:01] of justify that need and that expense.
[39:04] One of them was our um a arena. Um but
[39:08] yet here lately, this last year, we've
[39:10] had several requests to get internet
[39:13] over there. One of them is for the
[39:14] county fair when they do their
[39:16] auctioning for their um at the end of
[39:18] the show and they really like to they
[39:22] they really want internet over there,
[39:24] but it's pretty expensive for that one
[39:26] one or two things a year. But providing
[39:28] internet over there would really help um
[39:31] allow people to stream services over
[39:33] there. Um whether it be their music or
[39:36] DJ or anything that's going on, they'll
[39:38] have internet services. Um the other one
[39:41] the other two that they offered that we
[39:42] don't have current internet services at
[39:44] is both of our parks for us to put up
[39:47] some kind of a hub to allow for um we've
[39:52] been having a rash in both of our parks
[39:54] of of
[39:57] people destroying
[40:00] um the playground equipment
[40:03] >> and or going into the bathrooms and
[40:05] breaking the sinks and doing doing
[40:07] destructive things. Um,
[40:10] we can't afford to put any high dollar,
[40:12] you know, systems up and run internet
[40:16] for those. It has to be somewhere that's
[40:19] secure and safe and probably running
[40:21] some type of a system up high on the
[40:23] pavilion where it's not accessible. I
[40:25] can't say that we're going to guarantee
[40:27] that we we can find the culprits and I
[40:30] think that, you know, they might think
[40:31] it's a game, but um, it's not a game to
[40:33] us because we're spending quite a bit of
[40:34] taxpayers money on replacing swings.
[40:36] They'll go buy bolt cutters and cut the
[40:38] swings off.
[40:39] >> And then we have to replace all of that.
[40:41] Um they're going in and breaking the
[40:43] sinks off the walls. Um the splash pad,
[40:46] they broke this they went into the
[40:48] bathrooms. This it's a really nice
[40:49] splash pad and they broke the sinks, you
[40:51] know, the sink on the wall. Um we can't
[40:55] cover every every area, but if if we can
[40:58] [segment omitted]
[41:00] helpful. and for um increasing the
[41:03] usability of our pavilions for people to
[41:05] have internet service over there. You
[41:07] know, people that want to rent it and
[41:10] once again use internet and it wouldn't
[41:12] be a cost to the city. So, we're
[41:14] bringing it to you. Um we can either do
[41:17] that or
[41:19] go back to them and ask them for if if
[41:21] that's not something that council sees
[41:23] as a priority, we can go back to them
[41:25] and ask them for a dollar amount rent.
[41:27] But that was their in lie of service u
[41:31] lease exchange.
[41:32] >> What what is a
[41:35] normal lease agreement with somebody
[41:37] else?
[41:39] >> With somebody else I um well most of our
[41:42] sites um
[41:45] for instance at the at the animal
[41:47] shelter um is somewhere around $60 or
[41:50] $70. Um,
[41:52] >> well, what I'm saying No, what I'm
[41:54] saying is is to put to put something on
[41:56] our tower or on our
[41:58] >> what is there people out there now
[42:01] that's got something on there?
[42:02] >> We don't have any anything to compare it
[42:04] to
[42:06] >> um
[42:07] to say what the going
[42:10] the going rate is. Um we felt like the
[42:15] due to the size of the top of that tower
[42:16] and the size of equipment it' be pretty
[42:19] small impact and it so to to us it was
[42:22] kind of a
[42:23] >> it seemed like a
[42:24] >> and they'll pay for they'll pay for all
[42:26] all
[42:26] >> they pay for everything. There's no cost
[42:28] to the city
[42:30] no money on our side except for the
[42:33] exchange of services.
[42:35] So everybody get to use it or it's just
[42:37] going to be certain.
[42:38] >> That will be council's decision if we um
[42:41] the the speed. [name], do you remember the
[42:45] speed? It was 300
[42:48] >> megabytes. [name], do you remember the
[42:51] speed of the services that they said
[42:53] that they would provide? I believe 300
[42:55] >> plus.
[42:57] So,
[42:59] not really really high broadband speed,
[43:01] but I mean 300 is what most I mean it's
[43:04] that's pretty it's enough for several
[43:07] people to log in to. I don't mind
[43:09] opening it up for you know party uh
[43:12] somebody written the party room at the
[43:15] splash pad or right in the pavilion.
[43:17] >> So, we probably put that repeater right
[43:19] there for the pavilion
[43:21] kind of that general area. And then at
[43:24] the IT Williams Park, we're we're
[43:26] working on closing in that bathroom to
[43:29] where we can lock it up at night. So, we
[43:31] probably put some kind of a cubby, a
[43:33] secure storage there where it has access
[43:37] to electricity and maybe just have a
[43:39] [segment omitted]
[43:42] know, the entrances and stuff to where
[43:43] you can see people coming and going. If
[43:45] something happened, we could at least
[43:48] >> see
[43:48] >> it might slow it down at least to deter
[43:50] some of the activities.
[43:52] >> Yeah. Obviously, we can't put anything
[43:54] inside the bathrooms where a lot of the
[43:57] destruction is happening, but we can
[43:59] help
[44:00] >> swing sets and stuff.
[44:03] >> So, that was I just bring it to you. You
[44:06] know, if that's something that y'all
[44:08] find agreeable,
[44:12] >> any discussion?
[44:13] >> I think it's workable.
[44:16] >> Is there any anything that would add to
[44:18] the security, but not only for
[44:20] protection? I mean, if you headed out
[44:22] there, you would see a lot of other
[44:24] activities on beyond that. And it is a
[44:27] problem with destruction. If you go in
[44:31] almost every time an event, you have to
[44:34] redo everything that's over there. And
[44:36] it's and it really is. I mean, if it's
[44:39] free and it's something and plus like
[44:41] you said, when you have an event that
[44:42] you could tap into that
[44:44] >> and the a
[44:45] >> free internet,
[44:46] >> the a be a big user
[44:47] >> and that. Yeah. I mean that's
[44:49] >> as well as these the these people will
[44:51] provide a needed service in that in that
[44:53] general area of town
[44:54] >> and it is hard not with dropping
[44:56] everything
[44:57] >> and it's a lot more competitive. They're
[45:00] they're pretty competitive compared to
[45:01] some of our other providers. I
[45:03] >> also think if we make the penalty severe
[45:05] for someone who does that
[45:07] >> and post it out there as well.
[45:09] >> Yes.
[45:09] >> That it may deter some of it.
[45:11] >> Yeah.
[45:12] >> If they just get a slap on the wrist,
[45:14] they'll just do it again.
[45:16] set example on the person.
[45:18] >> That's right.
[45:20] >> Okay.
[45:20] >> We'll just have to start somewhere. We
[45:21] don't
[45:22] >> know who it is.
[45:25] >> Okay. What is the council pleasure?
[45:30] >> Back up.
[45:33] >> I make
[45:34] >> Yeah.
[45:34] >> I make a motion that we approve the
[45:36] lease agreement
[45:38] between the city of Crockett and and
[45:41] Watch Broadband Texas LLC.
[45:44] >> Second.
[45:45] It's been moved and second. All in
[45:46] favor?
[45:48] Motion carries. Okay, that bring us to
[45:51] item number 10, fiscal year budget 2026
[45:54] budget workshop.
[45:57] Okay,
[45:58] >> mayor and council. I was hoping that I
[46:00] would have um draft numbers from the
[46:03] appraisal district yet, but I don't have
[46:04] the certifi I mean, I do have the draft
[46:06] numbers. I don't have the certified
[46:07] values yet. So, it's hard for us to move
[46:10] forward in a lot of ways, but I want to
[46:12] keep pushing and speaking on items of
[46:15] importance um and update you with the
[46:18] the latest. So, I have a few punch hole
[46:21] papers there for y'all to add to y'all's
[46:23] uh packet. Um these are the estimated
[46:27] values from the appraisal district. Um
[46:30] currently the 2024 estimated values
[46:34] um are 392,938,479.
[46:41] The 2025 estimated values are
[46:45] 421,785359.
[46:51] Um that includes
[46:54] um a significant amount of new
[46:55] construction. So that that has an a good
[46:58] impact
[47:01] on the um amount of money that we bring
[47:03] in. We don't we don't get dinged for
[47:06] that. Um however, like I mentioned to
[47:09] y'all a couple weeks ago, um we have the
[47:12] parameters of the no new revenue tax
[47:14] rate all the way up to the voter
[47:16] approval tax rate. And so these numbers
[47:20] and along with everything else that I
[47:22] received from the appraisal district and
[47:24] uh new rates for the city
[47:28] all are part of building our draft
[47:29] budget.
[47:30] >> It was on the back.
[47:31] >> Um we did I also included a copy of our
[47:35] insurance um the city's insurance.
[47:39] We did have we only had one decrease.
[47:45] They noted that right up at the top.
[47:48] We had a 1.6% decrease in insurance uh
[47:52] for workman's comp for our workman's
[47:55] comp compensation.
[47:57] Um that being said, our firefighter our
[48:00] paid firefighter uh category and our
[48:02] street and road repair category
[48:03] workforce um decreased and that's they
[48:06] do a three-year running average or you
[48:09] know running tally and if there is an
[48:11] increase in claims versus a decrease
[48:13] that's where they reflect it. So they
[48:16] usually hold them steady and or increase
[48:19] them. This year they decreased them. So
[48:22] of of a total of $1,228.
[48:25] However, after that everything jumps.
[48:28] Our liability, our general liability and
[48:31] errors of admission were our biggest
[48:33] increases. Those are primarily driven by
[48:36] existing lawsuits that we have. Um
[48:40] the lawsuits impacted our general
[48:43] liability and our errors and emissions
[48:45] um for by 48%
[48:47] and 41%
[48:50] um increase over last year's um over
[48:53] last year's contribution. Um
[48:57] our property rate increased also by 14%
[49:01] 14.2 uh 6%.
[49:05] um that's uh real and personal property
[49:07] as well as our equipment, vehicles and
[49:08] everything. So all of those are what I'm
[49:12] working in breaking down the specific
[49:14] category that it says a general you know
[49:17] mobile equipment will which one gets
[49:19] applied to which department and so
[49:21] that's what I'm working on and putting
[49:23] together in the draft. Um as and then we
[49:28] also we're required to um as of two
[49:31] years ago we're required u state statute
[49:34] requires cities and counties and local
[49:36] governments to have a cyber security
[49:38] policy as well for cyber crimes. Um,
[49:43] ransoms are big. Uh, where they come in
[49:46] and
[49:47] >> Oh, yeah.
[49:48] >> they dig they they gain access into your
[49:51] all your propri um proprietary
[49:54] information that you
[49:55] >> you can't duplicate. They lock it down
[49:58] and hold it ransom and you have to pay
[50:00] dollars to them to release that
[50:01] information. I mean, it's happened to
[50:03] several cities. Another thing that's
[50:05] really, really scary is the amount of AI
[50:09] attacks.
[50:09] >> Oh, yeah. um they're using AI in cyber
[50:14] um hacking and attack. So what they're
[50:16] doing is if they gain access to to
[50:19] emails, what used to be done is they
[50:21] would send out some kind of gibberish
[50:23] like in English, but you just know that
[50:26] >> I mean the grammar's off, it just red
[50:27] flags all over it. AI, so they were
[50:30] hiring people, you know, from overseas
[50:32] to write these emails and you just
[50:34] immediately knew it was a false email.
[50:37] >> Now, man, they speak better than us. I
[50:39] mean, they're smooth talkers. What
[50:41] they're doing is they're going in if
[50:43] they gain access to anybody's email and
[50:46] they see a transaction. What what's
[50:48] happened to a city just just a couple
[50:50] weeks ago,
[50:52] they went in, saw a transaction from a
[50:54] contractor, a contractor said, "Hey, my
[50:56] job is complete. We finished it up.
[50:59] Here's the pictures." yada yada. We're
[51:00] done. Here's the final in, you know,
[51:03] here's the final. And I apologize. They
[51:05] didn't even send send the final invoice.
[51:07] But the city real received information
[51:10] the project's complete. So your next
[51:12] assumption is looking for an invoice.
[51:15] This c this attack came in read emails
[51:18] then went back and found the bid in
[51:20] previous emails.
[51:22] put together an invoice, a complete
[51:24] certification, a certified invoice
[51:26] completed, you know, project complete,
[51:28] legitimate with the name of the company
[51:30] and their logos and everything and with
[51:33] but with bad um a wiring information
[51:38] >> and that company knew it was complete.
[51:40] They had spoken to them that day.
[51:42] Everything lined up that this is
[51:43] legitimate payment. So they logged in,
[51:46] sent in the money,
[51:48] >> and it it went to overseas and and so
[51:51] >> it is
[51:52] >> that's something that is requiring lots
[51:53] of training for our our all of our
[51:55] department, anybody that really has an
[51:57] email that might ever get any kind of
[51:59] communication on behalf of the city that
[52:01] gets played by and it's not even people
[52:04] that we can blame anymore. It's
[52:05] machines.
[52:07] >> And so um that that required a
[52:11] contribution. Now, we have to have cyber
[52:13] security liability insurance to protect
[52:15] the city's interest if we ever do lose
[52:19] money
[52:20] >> somehow by not
[52:23] by hackers and and cyber threats.
[52:27] So, we have an increase of about uh
[52:29] 23,000
[52:30] um for our insurance. Um,
[52:35] following up on our on our capital
[52:37] requests,
[52:40] I I mentioned the council, one of the
[52:42] biggest things on my radar right now
[52:45] instead of, you know, a lot of the
[52:47] capital requests that I that we've been
[52:49] asking for. Um, looking at the budget
[52:53] right now with my draft numbers, I don't
[52:55] see I see a healthy budget, but I don't
[52:57] see a lot of wiggle room to purchase new
[53:00] things that we don't have or um, one
[53:04] thing is to purchase a one-time purchase
[53:06] versus um, an appropriation for
[53:08] multi-year. You know, hiring people is
[53:11] the big one. Um, raises, cost of living
[53:13] adjustments, all of those is not just
[53:16] this next year, it's every year after
[53:17] that. So that's where we're we're really
[53:20] concerned that we won't be able to fund
[53:22] a lot of the requests without finding
[53:25] new sources of revenue. If we find some
[53:27] new money, then then you know those are
[53:31] those should be considered.
[53:33] Capital requests, we still have two
[53:35] remaining projects from our ARPA funds.
[53:38] We have $250,000 $252,000 left that have
[53:43] not been um spent and allocated. Two of
[53:46] the projects allocated are the gateway
[53:48] signs are close to 615 for all of our
[53:53] welcome to Crockett signs that are being
[53:54] installed. They're coming on Thursday.
[53:56] No, I'm sorry. They called today and
[53:59] asked to re hit um the owner had a
[54:02] grandbaby and he flew to Virginia or
[54:06] somewhere. Anyway, he requested to move
[54:08] it to next week. So, they're doing their
[54:09] site visits and getting everything
[54:12] ready, get pulling, uh, you know, dig
[54:14] test so they run electricity, just do
[54:16] everything and get start on the
[54:17] installs. Um, that money has to be
[54:21] allocated towards the gateway signs, the
[54:23] fire station bay floor. We've, um, we've
[54:27] struggled with that by hiring trying to
[54:30] hire someone trying to figure out how to
[54:32] hire someone using existing engineering
[54:34] plans that we already have. of course
[54:36] they're 1970s 80s when the fire station
[54:39] was built 70 something I believe 74
[54:43] and so but we already have it's already
[54:46] been designed and engineer we don't have
[54:47] to hire another engineer to come in and
[54:50] re redesign how to pour concrete and so
[54:54] we're we're working through that process
[54:56] we did find a contractor that is willing
[54:59] to use our current design and engineer
[55:02] you know engineer plans go in there saw
[55:04] cut it bust it all pull that old
[55:06] concrete out that's cracked and falling
[55:08] apart and repour a a slab. So, currently
[55:12] I have a placeholder for 865.
[55:15] Um, my guesstimates a couple years ago
[55:18] when we were putting this these
[55:20] allocations together, I guessed about
[55:23] 50,000 just using my my best estimate
[55:27] without getting bits. So, we need to go
[55:30] through that process. And so for now I
[55:32] know the it's probably at least you know
[55:36] worst case we we can rely on something
[55:39] like that but we we do need to finish
[55:42] that project that leaves $104,000
[55:45] of expendable or unallocated funds out
[55:47] of the ARPA funds. Our large capital
[55:50] request police station add-on
[55:53] with an estimate of 637. He has been
[55:55] meeting with another architect to try to
[55:58] come up with some lesser designs, some
[56:01] more efficient ways to build onto that
[56:04] building with to bring some new numbers
[56:06] back to council. That being said, a lot
[56:08] of these large capital requests knowing
[56:10] that we cannot fund them just in our
[56:13] current budget, it's going to require
[56:15] some type of a debt service anyway. So,
[56:17] it does not have to be tied to our
[56:19] budget preparation this year. Um that'll
[56:23] be a a process to go through for both a
[56:26] police station add-on and truthfully uh
[56:29] the police radios. Um the police radios
[56:31] are a need. Um we council should
[56:34] probably also look if we're purchasing
[56:36] radios to look at um the fire
[56:38] departments as well and make sure that
[56:41] we they're all can intercommunicate
[56:43] between the departments and not you know
[56:45] purchase when the other one also has old
[56:48] equipment as well. So those are
[56:50] discussions. Since this budget, we know
[56:52] that there's no money in this budget to
[56:53] fund it outright. We're going to have to
[56:56] have future discussions. So that's my
[56:58] kind of request to council is that we
[57:01] look at it in that way. Multi-year
[57:02] appropriations, cost of living
[57:04] adjustments for all employees, as I
[57:06] mentioned last year or last year, two
[57:08] the last meeting. Um a 3% COLA for all
[57:13] employees looks is is around 130,000. a
[57:18] 5% is 190,000.
[57:23] Our current budget, even moving it all
[57:25] the way up to the voter tax voter
[57:26] approval tax rate, there's not that
[57:29] there's not that much wiggle room in our
[57:30] budget to to do colas. Um
[57:37] police pay increase 5 to 15% that was a
[57:40] request as well. Proficiency pay,
[57:43] additional police officers, and
[57:45] additional firefighter position. Those
[57:47] are all multi-year appropriations that
[57:49] our current budget
[57:51] >> not
[57:52] >> it's not s sustainable in with our
[57:54] current revenues. Um
[57:57] we have some smaller capital requests.
[58:00] Like I said, one of the the easy targets
[58:02] to address some of those needs with
[58:05] would be the ARPA funds. Um, they could
[58:08] also be addressed within our budget if
[58:09] we can absorb it, move some monies
[58:11] around with within departments,
[58:15] maybe decrease the size or the the
[58:18] decrease the the total project request.
[58:21] Like for instance, the aena that's all
[58:24] specific to the the all the sinks and
[58:28] all the toilets, replplumbing them and
[58:30] putting new fixtures in ADA and
[58:32] commercial type fixtures. There's not a
[58:35] lot of you can't just do every other
[58:37] toilet or you know you got to do all or
[58:39] nothing or just the men's side or the
[58:41] women's side. So that's kind of an all
[58:43] or
[58:43] >> what's that? Just the women first.
[58:45] >> Wait a minute.
[58:46] >> Men will wait till next year. Um the
[58:50] city hall repairs carpet and chairs.
[58:53] After speaking to some of y'all, I
[58:55] completely get it and understand
[59:01] um
[59:04] the city hall repairs within our budget.
[59:09] Um,
[59:11] if we can increase that by just a few
[59:13] thousand to address the cracks and and
[59:17] uh damages in the walls and repaint the
[59:21] remaining part of the civic center of
[59:23] the of the city hall like we did this
[59:25] room
[59:26] >> and that side of the city hall. If we
[59:28] can complete it on this side, do some of
[59:30] it. We can look at maybe doing some of
[59:32] it in the house. Community service,
[59:35] I can get creative. I can figure out
[59:37] ways, you know, it's it's easy to hire a
[59:39] contractor and not have to worry about
[59:40] it, but there is no money and we're
[59:42] going to have to figure out if we want
[59:43] it done.
[59:44] >> Um, carpet, y'all tell me, do y'all want
[59:46] carpet in this room or not? Truthfully,
[59:50] it cleans a lot easier without carpet.
[59:53] Carpet is a friend to acoustics. It's
[59:56] better acoustics. Sound works better,
[1:00:00] but it's not a need. Um, we have what
[1:00:04] we've had for many, many years and we
[1:00:07] can continue going down that road. It
[1:00:08] was a recommendation to try to improve
[1:00:10] the sound and acoustics in this to where
[1:00:14] we can hear each other easier and
[1:00:16] without the echo. Um, chairs,
[1:00:20] I am concerned about these chairs. I I
[1:00:22] only have so many more screws to hold it
[1:00:25] hold some together cuz they're they're
[1:00:27] pretty rickety. those chairs. I wanted
[1:00:30] to replace those to make them look
[1:00:31] nicer. They're
[1:00:33] they've they have a lot of of
[1:00:35] >> wear and tear.
[1:00:36] >> Wear and tear, but it's not
[1:00:40] like the need need. It's just kind of a
[1:00:42] need.
[1:00:44] So, that's that's my uh
[1:00:48] that's my spill on that. Um the civic
[1:00:51] center,
[1:00:53] I really need money at the civic center
[1:00:56] this year. the out the outer perimeter
[1:00:59] of the civic center and I'm available.
[1:01:01] Please come look at it with me. Let's
[1:01:02] walk through it and I'll show you some
[1:01:04] of the projects that really need to be
[1:01:05] done that should not be put off another
[1:01:07] year. Um, some of it, like I said, we
[1:01:10] can spread it out. We let's let's maybe
[1:01:12] address the strictest needs immediately.
[1:01:16] Our ADA doors, our doors are broken. Our
[1:01:19] main exit um doors, they're not working.
[1:01:22] U we have lots of gaps and and seals
[1:01:25] that need to be replaced on a bunch of
[1:01:26] that. Um the front all the way around
[1:01:29] the side the foundation is taking in and
[1:01:33] eroding. It's eroding and taking in the
[1:01:36] dirt from the outside. That that civic
[1:01:39] center is built on pier and beam. All
[1:01:41] it's a suspended concrete slab in the
[1:01:43] air that you can crawl under that whole
[1:01:45] civic center and walk from end to end.
[1:01:48] >> That should be our tornado tornado
[1:01:50] shelter if if anybody wants to get down
[1:01:53] in that crawl space. But it it's a
[1:01:54] really but we're taking in lots of water
[1:01:57] and dirt from the outside
[1:01:59] >> and it's filling those those drains up
[1:02:01] on the inside. So we're beginning to get
[1:02:03] water filling up underneath the civic
[1:02:05] center and that's not a good thing.
[1:02:07] >> Mold, whatever. That's just a bad thing
[1:02:09] for everything. We need to address that.
[1:02:12] And I would really like to get some of
[1:02:13] this the painting done on the civic
[1:02:15] center. The walls are looking pretty
[1:02:17] raggedy and we have lots and lots of
[1:02:19] people coming out there every week. I
[1:02:22] mean, our uh Rebecca has done a great
[1:02:24] job in marketing and trying to get more
[1:02:26] and more people out there. And you'll
[1:02:27] see in our budgets when they come out,
[1:02:31] our revenues are continuing to increase
[1:02:33] in that civic center. And so that's kind
[1:02:36] of our one
[1:02:38] our one thing to show the outside world
[1:02:41] and we need to keep
[1:02:43] >> keep that.
[1:02:45] >> So that's kind of what I've boiled it
[1:02:46] down to. The public works padfoot
[1:02:47] roller. We really need that. I'm going
[1:02:50] to work with [name] and let's find a
[1:02:52] couple other options. Um we I reached
[1:02:56] out to a contractor that potentially has
[1:02:58] some that he's considering selling. Um
[1:03:02] if we can talk with text dot or other
[1:03:06] people, find some other sources of
[1:03:09] it's nice to have something a little bit
[1:03:11] newer that we don't have to repair. So,
[1:03:14] as long as we feel safe about it, you
[1:03:15] know, going out and finding something
[1:03:17] that's more used or a little bit less
[1:03:21] than what, you know, and save some
[1:03:22] money. So, those are the things that I
[1:03:24] want to try to bring back to y'all and
[1:03:26] squeeze into that. You know, all of that
[1:03:29] right there is is close to 200,000, but
[1:03:32] I need to squeeze that into 104,000.
[1:03:35] Um, and so that's just kind of my update
[1:03:40] of of the latest since we've talked last
[1:03:43] on on the capital request.
[1:03:46] Um, the police, the fire chief is
[1:03:48] working and he can if there's any other
[1:03:50] thing that he can mention on that, but
[1:03:51] he's he's working with the ESD trying to
[1:03:55] get some support on his firefighter
[1:03:57] position.
[1:03:58] Um,
[1:04:02] if council wants to prioritize maybe the
[1:04:05] proficiency pay on the police
[1:04:06] department,
[1:04:08] I I I am really averse to giving one
[1:04:12] department cost of livingings or
[1:04:14] adjustments and not the other guys. Uh,
[1:04:16] we we we need all of our people. We need
[1:04:19] police, but we need sewer and water and
[1:04:22] streets. We need everything. And so if
[1:04:25] there's some ways that we can come to
[1:04:26] some type of a a resolution on that, I
[1:04:29] would highly recommend it. If we're
[1:04:31] going to give if we're going to find
[1:04:32] money for one department,
[1:04:34] >> that would fine.
[1:04:35] >> I'd ask y'all to find money for all the
[1:04:36] all the people that are working for us.
[1:04:39] >> Um
[1:04:41] well, that's one thing I was asking. you
[1:04:44] know, I knew that we were I mean, just
[1:04:47] looking at at our numbers and position
[1:04:50] that we were in um was that I I know we
[1:04:54] need our people.
[1:04:55] >> Yeah.
[1:04:55] >> But like you said, we got to find money
[1:04:58] and if we uh cannot wait and see um what
[1:05:04] it's going to look like for our next
[1:05:06] year and offer it then be able to offer
[1:05:09] it to everyone. I would say instead of
[1:05:11] just offering it to one, like I said, if
[1:05:14] you you're going to offer it to one, you
[1:05:16] may as well offer it to all.
[1:05:17] >> Yeah.
[1:05:18] >> So,
[1:05:18] >> yes, ma'am.
[1:05:19] >> Jesse,
[1:05:22] >> the last thing that I I need direction
[1:05:24] on and council's input as I'm building
[1:05:26] this draft budget
[1:05:28] is
[1:05:30] we've taken on a lot of projects. We've
[1:05:33] maximized outside dollars. However, we
[1:05:36] do have to repay some of it. Most of the
[1:05:39] monies that we received, for instance,
[1:05:40] the half a million dollars that we got
[1:05:42] for storm sirens, we're only coming up
[1:05:44] with 50. You know, it's I think the
[1:05:46] whole project is 530. We're coming up
[1:05:48] with 53,000 out of that whole project.
[1:05:50] We're coming up with 10%. So, we're
[1:05:52] leveraging outside money with a little
[1:05:54] bit, you know, with smaller pockets of
[1:05:56] money, we're leveraging outside dollars.
[1:05:58] Anytime we have money that's available
[1:06:01] instead of spending, you know, we that
[1:06:04] comes to the top top of our priorities
[1:06:06] is the monies that we can outside new
[1:06:08] monies that we can bring in instead of
[1:06:10] spending our money and raising taxes and
[1:06:12] taxing the little bit of people that we
[1:06:13] have here.
[1:06:15] Um
[1:06:17] some of those things we're able to
[1:06:19] absorb and take on within our existing
[1:06:21] budget. However, these items here, one
[1:06:24] um the ones that are not currently
[1:06:26] budgeted for that coming up next year is
[1:06:29] our tax and revenue um co a certificate
[1:06:32] of obligation series 2024. That's what
[1:06:36] we purchased three police vehicles with
[1:06:38] and a new fire truck, a fire engine, and
[1:06:41] refurbished our old uh ladder truck. Um
[1:06:45] we got big bang for that buck. We got
[1:06:49] low interest rates. um and it was just a
[1:06:52] need and we did not have that kind of
[1:06:53] cash on hand. So that's something that
[1:06:55] council approved. Um
[1:06:58] that is 100% a an 01 or a general fund
[1:07:04] expense coming from so police, fire,
[1:07:08] streets, parks, city hall.
[1:07:11] We're paid for through sales tax,
[1:07:14] property taxes. Then we have another
[1:07:16] fund, another department that's funded
[1:07:18] through um our O2, our utility fund.
[1:07:22] So, uh water bills, utility bills pay
[1:07:25] for the water and sewer departments,
[1:07:27] right? So, when we're budgeting for
[1:07:29] these repayments on these right here,
[1:07:31] all of these were set up for everyone to
[1:07:33] pay for through our Avalorum property
[1:07:35] tax or it could come out of water and
[1:07:38] sewer utility revenue.
[1:07:41] If you see right there when it where it
[1:07:43] says tax and revenue, this is the last
[1:07:46] page there, the third um line down of of
[1:07:49] 107,000. That's our repayment amount for
[1:07:52] next year. Tax and revenue certificate.
[1:07:54] So, it can come out of city revenues, uh
[1:07:58] utility revenues or taxes, tax and
[1:08:01] surplus revenue. Tax and surplus
[1:08:03] revenue. There's three series. Those are
[1:08:05] all our Texas Water Development Board.
[1:08:09] We received right at $8 million in
[1:08:12] grants. We do not have to pay that back.
[1:08:14] Then we have about $7 million in low
[1:08:17] interest or 0% interest loans. So these
[1:08:20] are all our 0% interest loans and low
[1:08:22] interest loans to repay to match the $8
[1:08:26] million. So is more than a 50/50 match.
[1:08:30] um
[1:08:32] those council can decide whether those
[1:08:34] are repaid out of surplus out of uh
[1:08:37] water and sewer revenue. Does that hit
[1:08:40] our water rates or does that hit our tax
[1:08:44] rates?
[1:08:46] And so I I broke that down and this is
[1:08:49] in general.
[1:08:51] If council gives further direction, we
[1:08:53] can adjust from there.
[1:08:55] If the debt if this above debt is paid
[1:08:58] by property taxes, our current debt
[1:09:00] service rate is 13
[1:09:03] uh.43 cents. So, right almost 13.5 cents
[1:09:06] per 100 is our debt rate current.
[1:09:11] um or an average or or or on a average
[1:09:15] home value, it costs the local home
[1:09:19] owner $122 a year to pay for our city's
[1:09:24] all of our city's debts, our existing
[1:09:27] all of our existing debt. Our proposed
[1:09:30] debt service rate, if we put every bit
[1:09:33] of it on our property tax, if we load it
[1:09:36] all on the property tax side, it would
[1:09:38] go from 13 cents to 22 cents.
[1:09:41] or on an average to a home value to $21.
[1:09:45] So, SE uh $79
[1:09:48] is what the fire trucks, our water sewer
[1:09:51] plant, and our new water well
[1:09:55] all cost. That's what it's going to cost
[1:09:58] the average home is $79 or $65 a month
[1:10:02] to pay for two fire trucks, fire police
[1:10:06] vehicles, water well and wastewater
[1:10:09] trans uh treatment plant.
[1:10:10] >> So you're saying the average home
[1:10:12] $91,000?
[1:10:14] >> That's the average home in the city of
[1:10:15] Crockett
[1:10:18] and I can do a breakdown on on other
[1:10:20] values, but for the average home. So
[1:10:23] that would be per month it would be um
[1:10:26] >> roughly $6 $6.5 is what it would break
[1:10:29] down
[1:10:31] >> um or for a year $79 for the average
[1:10:34] home value is what all those items that
[1:10:38] >> that we're paying for
[1:10:40] >> if the debt is covered by water and a
[1:10:42] sewer billing like I say I can load it
[1:10:45] either way because some of the fund some
[1:10:47] of the money is going towards wastewater
[1:10:49] treatment plant rebuild some of the
[1:10:50] money is going towards a new water Well,
[1:10:53] some of the water money is going towards
[1:10:55] new or fire trucks and police vehicles
[1:11:01] with using the number of people that we
[1:11:02] have in our city of water payer of of
[1:11:06] customers.
[1:11:08] >> It's going to cost somewhere around $13
[1:11:10] a month to load all of it, right? If all
[1:11:14] of it instead of none of the property
[1:11:15] tax, we moved it all the way to
[1:11:17] utilities.
[1:11:18] Or do you want to split it in half? or
[1:11:20] do you want to go somewhere in between?
[1:11:24] Those are the decisions we can. We
[1:11:28] currently have money going into we're
[1:11:30] building our reserves to have a healthy
[1:11:32] fund balance
[1:11:34] >> to where we're not a at risk city. If we
[1:11:38] ever need to borrow money, we get the
[1:11:39] lowest of low interest rates. Anyone
[1:11:42] will b will loan money to us and if
[1:11:44] anything happens to our city, we have
[1:11:46] cash reserves to address immediate
[1:11:48] needs. We have a h healthy cash fund
[1:11:52] balance and I don't want to back off of
[1:11:54] that.
[1:11:56] >> However, because because of this last
[1:11:59] year, we have spent money out of our
[1:12:01] reserves. You know, things have come up.
[1:12:03] Council, I was not budgeting for the
[1:12:06] sewer line collapse under West Houston
[1:12:08] council. I was not budgeting for the
[1:12:10] clarifier going down and we spent. So,
[1:12:12] we've been pulling out of the reserve.
[1:12:14] So that's why I want to keep that
[1:12:15] healthy to get us through the year and
[1:12:17] we don't have to get into TCQ compliance
[1:12:21] issues. If we have a problem, we fix it.
[1:12:23] We got the money, let's fix it. We're
[1:12:25] healthy. If I start dwindling down on
[1:12:28] that to not go up on utility rates or
[1:12:31] not go up on property debt rate, I'm not
[1:12:34] proposing going up on our operations tax
[1:12:37] rate, but to cover those needs, I need
[1:12:40] direction on how y'all want to load that
[1:12:42] debt. Where do I want it paid out of?
[1:12:47] >> So
[1:12:48] this 13month average per customer,
[1:12:51] that's 13 months for residential
[1:12:53] commercial. We can put the revenue to
[1:12:57] come out of consumption. So if you're a
[1:12:59] low consumer, mom and pop, and you don't
[1:13:01] consume a lot, you might not even see
[1:13:03] any increase. If you're a big consumer,
[1:13:06] you're going to see an incremental
[1:13:07] increase because you're using more. That
[1:13:09] little bit adds up quicker.
[1:13:11] >> Okay? If you're wanting the base rate
[1:13:14] where residentials, residential
[1:13:16] customers pay one additional amount,
[1:13:19] commercial customers pay another amount,
[1:13:21] ultimately at the end of the day, I will
[1:13:24] calculate it to net us that amount of
[1:13:26] money to pay that debt back.
[1:13:28] >> And so I can load it if we want to make
[1:13:30] it easier on one group or the other.
[1:13:33] >> That's better.
[1:13:34] >> Yeah.
[1:13:35] >> Now you're talking them pay more than
[1:13:38] the people that ain't you.
[1:13:41] Don't make me pay for something that I
[1:13:43] ain't using as much as them.
[1:13:45] >> Yeah. On the water and sewer side, I can
[1:13:47] definitely see that. Um, if you're using
[1:13:49] less water,
[1:13:50] >> you're not paying as much. Everybody's
[1:13:52] using everybody takes benefit from fire
[1:13:55] trucks and police vehicles and stuff
[1:13:57] like that.
[1:13:59] Um,
[1:14:00] >> so you're you're already going to have
[1:14:02] to go up because you know the water
[1:14:04] district's already going up.
[1:14:06] >> Well, so now I'm proposing No, ma'am.
[1:14:08] No.
[1:14:09] >> Sorry. No, sir.
[1:14:11] >> Um,
[1:14:14] the way we've currently drafted our
[1:14:16] budget
[1:14:18] last year, we did not go up and we're
[1:14:20] not going up again this year on our
[1:14:22] water side to cover that. We're
[1:14:23] absorbing those costs. The cost that the
[1:14:26] water district went up, but
[1:14:28] >> like I say, it is cutting into that that
[1:14:30] amount of money that we set aside.
[1:14:31] >> Why don't we fight them going up?
[1:14:34] >> That's what I don't understand. Why do
[1:14:35] we let them go up on us every year and
[1:14:37] we don't fight it?
[1:14:42] That's I mean
[1:14:43] >> we need to say no.
[1:14:45] >> You're not going up on us.
[1:14:46] >> We You didn't
[1:14:51] >> I mean
[1:14:52] >> if if council gives council gives me
[1:14:54] that direction
[1:14:55] >> if council gives me that directive
[1:14:57] that's that's what I'll take back from.
[1:14:59] I mean that's that's council's
[1:15:01] >> they go out every year and they provide
[1:15:05] no more better service. We have to we
[1:15:09] have to put chlorine in our water. We
[1:15:12] have to retreat when we get our water
[1:15:14] from them. We have to go to our wells
[1:15:17] because they can't provide us water. Why
[1:15:21] do we pay them for going up?
[1:15:24] We don't have a contract with them
[1:15:26] anyway.
[1:15:28] >> They'll argue that
[1:15:29] >> we don't have
[1:15:31] they
[1:15:33] don't
[1:15:33] >> I have a I have a question real quick.
[1:15:35] So what what would be our second source
[1:15:37] of water?
[1:15:38] >> What?
[1:15:39] >> This well that we're drilling
[1:15:41] >> except we got a competitive
[1:15:44] >> commercial ranch that's drilling
[1:15:47] >> drilling all the wells around
[1:15:48] >> tens of wells and we're all competing
[1:15:50] for the same
[1:15:52] you can't bring because that's not
[1:15:54] >> so we need
[1:15:55] >> they're fighting that right now. That's
[1:15:57] we're aggressive. But what I'm saying is
[1:16:00] what I'm saying is that they're going to
[1:16:03] afford to have the money. We're not
[1:16:05] that. That's the risk you're running,
[1:16:07] >> right?
[1:16:07] >> Well, yeah, it's a risk.
[1:16:09] >> But that's why we are drilling
[1:16:10] additional well. I I agree.
[1:16:12] >> But we are making
[1:16:14] >> we're making preparations to be more but
[1:16:17] right now we can't
[1:16:17] >> to have a backup plan.
[1:16:19] >> So we
[1:16:19] >> right now
[1:16:21] >> we're hanging on a limb.
[1:16:22] >> So we can't afford not to.
[1:16:24] >> And if we go to sawing on it,
[1:16:26] >> um that's our water. So,
[1:16:29] >> the the the water district um
[1:16:33] how's their finances or do we know
[1:16:36] >> this last year? They pulled out of
[1:16:37] reserves to close their to close their
[1:16:40] um year end balance. They they lost more
[1:16:43] money than they made. They spent more
[1:16:46] money than they made
[1:16:47] >> and they have
[1:16:48] >> that's why they're asking for a 2%.
[1:16:49] >> They have been doing that, haven't they?
[1:16:51] I mean, yeah,
[1:16:53] >> they're dwindling down their fund
[1:16:54] balance. But that
[1:16:55] >> this this is this but this this may I
[1:16:57] mean you know
[1:16:59] I'm just talking
[1:17:02] >> what if we what if we took it over
[1:17:06] >> they would be glad to give it to us. I
[1:17:08] would assume
[1:17:10] >> we can afford
[1:17:11] >> because it's my understanding if we if
[1:17:15] we if we u locally we lost the the
[1:17:19] rights to that water out there that the
[1:17:22] state could take it over and disperse it
[1:17:24] wherever. And we've got a great water
[1:17:27] supply uh 10 miles outside of town that
[1:17:30] we could take, you know, keep and take
[1:17:33] advantage of. At this time, we're one of
[1:17:35] the only users of the consolidated
[1:17:37] water. They have drilled drilled
[1:17:40] >> well
[1:17:41] >> wells and no longer need that water. So,
[1:17:44] we're the
[1:17:44] >> Why can't we investigate and see h how
[1:17:47] much money it would take to,
[1:17:50] you know, to to uh repair everything and
[1:17:54] and and and
[1:17:56] where we'd have access?
[1:17:59] >> And why do you penalize us for bad
[1:18:01] management?
[1:18:02] You're gonna go up on us every year for
[1:18:04] bad management.
[1:18:06] >> I can't say whether it's bad management
[1:18:08] or not. I mean, it's
[1:18:10] >> I'm not, you know. Yeah.
[1:18:11] >> Yeah. I I'm
[1:18:13] >> I'm not I'm not saying
[1:18:14] >> I agree. I'm not but
[1:18:17] we you're talking about the drill and
[1:18:19] the wells. We can't afford to lose that
[1:18:21] source
[1:18:22] >> of water.
[1:18:23] >> So,
[1:18:24] >> especially in light of the people coming
[1:18:25] after well
[1:18:27] >> already after the war. So, I guess what
[1:18:31] at this point it would be up to the
[1:18:34] council to make a recommendation. Maybe
[1:18:35] [name] can explore what it would look
[1:18:37] like.
[1:18:39] >> One of the things that it would look
[1:18:40] like um is the money we we we borrowed
[1:18:44] roughly $4 million to put a transmission
[1:18:47] main in and drill a new well
[1:18:52] to make us well sufficient.
[1:18:55] >> Mhm.
[1:18:57] That being said, if this is a new
[1:19:00] priority, I would request through Texas
[1:19:03] Water Development Board that we ask to
[1:19:05] if if surface water, lake water is now
[1:19:07] our new priority, I would ask to move
[1:19:11] that $4 million
[1:19:13] towards the lake to rehab that and to
[1:19:17] >> that's my vote.
[1:19:18] >> Pay off their debt.
[1:19:19] >> I believe they owe right at $3 million
[1:19:21] in debt.
[1:19:24] So when you pay
[1:19:25] >> water water is going to be an issue.
[1:19:28] >> Water is a new
[1:19:29] >> and we and we've got it
[1:19:31] >> 10 miles out of town.
[1:19:34] >> But how how hard is it to get to town
[1:19:37] with it?
[1:19:37] >> It already it's already coming.
[1:19:38] >> It's already coming.
[1:19:40] >> I thought they had some problems with
[1:19:41] having it treated to
[1:19:43] >> the issues. The issues that they're
[1:19:45] having
[1:19:45] >> Well, we're having to treat it anyway.
[1:19:47] >> Yeah. Because they have treatment
[1:19:48] problems coming into town.
[1:19:51] >> A lot of their infrastructure is old.
[1:19:52] Their pumps are old, their clarifiers
[1:19:54] are old, their transmission main to
[1:19:57] Crockett is old. We're going out, we
[1:19:59] lose water probably two to three times a
[1:20:02] year where we're going out and digging
[1:20:04] down, you know, getting that replaced.
[1:20:06] So, we're out of water, so we're using
[1:20:07] wells. So
[1:20:10] >> that is a good idea,
[1:20:12] >> but there needs to be a cost assessment
[1:20:14] to say if we if we inherit this
[1:20:18] infrastructure,
[1:20:19] >> how much are we asking for more trouble
[1:20:20] more
[1:20:21] >> or is it going to save us money long
[1:20:23] run? Yes, ma'am.
[1:20:25] >> I think it save us money in the long
[1:20:26] run. I think
[1:20:27] >> if we know how much it is
[1:20:30] to we'd be standing one day waving by to
[1:20:33] all that waters that's going to some
[1:20:36] metroplex or something. Are they trying
[1:20:37] to get it?
[1:20:39] >> They're coming after it.
[1:20:41] >> So, what other what what do you think
[1:20:43] that we ain't going to make you make a
[1:20:45] recommendation? What do you think should
[1:20:46] happen, council?
[1:20:50] >> Well, just looking at at at this to make
[1:20:54] sure that we
[1:20:56] we keep the decision making
[1:20:58] >> focus
[1:20:59] >> focused on this too. But council can
[1:21:01] definitely provide me direction
[1:21:03] directive and we can put this on another
[1:21:06] agenda. I can bring back numbers and
[1:21:10] proposals
[1:21:12] >> what
[1:21:13] >> for council to give further direction on
[1:21:16] >> lake water wells
[1:21:20] >> options
[1:21:21] >> but I but I do need
[1:21:23] >> we need to decide where we want to take
[1:21:25] the taxes right now
[1:21:26] >> one of the things I'm saying is that
[1:21:30] >> they keep going up and and we do reach a
[1:21:33] point where we say no
[1:21:35] >> we'll be No more then then then that and
[1:21:40] they for whatever reason they can no
[1:21:43] longer do business
[1:21:44] >> they sell it
[1:21:45] >> then then we then we lose that
[1:21:48] >> Mhm.
[1:21:49] >> and it can go anywhere.
[1:21:52] >> Yeah.
[1:21:54] >> We won't get
[1:21:54] >> No, you No, because water is going to be
[1:21:57] water is already precious.
[1:22:01] >> I mean, you know, a lot of the higherups
[1:22:03] are saying it's the new oil. Yeah.
[1:22:07] >> So, right at this point, now that it's
[1:22:11] my call to make
[1:22:13] we do have to make a decide on our
[1:22:17] projected issues here and then we're
[1:22:20] requesting a proposal. I mean, you put
[1:22:23] together the proposals for what we do
[1:22:26] next, but we do need to decide what
[1:22:27] where we want to take this funding for.
[1:22:30] in this particular part today as part of
[1:22:33] the budget. We are going to have to
[1:22:35] decide whether we want it to come the
[1:22:37] 13.
[1:22:39] >> Right now our estimates right now our
[1:22:42] estimates on our uh M due to our
[1:22:45] estimated property values our estimates
[1:22:48] for our M tax rate is dropping from a
[1:22:52] total of uh well from 50 almost 51 cents
[1:22:58] to somewhere between 46 and 48 cents.
[1:23:03] So depending on whether we do the no new
[1:23:04] revenue rate or the property or the
[1:23:07] voter approval rate,
[1:23:10] we're going to our tax rate will be
[1:23:12] dropping down. Do we want to replace
[1:23:14] some of those savings with some of the
[1:23:17] debt
[1:23:19] to keep our tax rate not too much
[1:23:22] >> but not
[1:23:23] >> no for our tax rate not to change too
[1:23:27] much
[1:23:29] and put the rest of the debt on the
[1:23:31] water and sewer or just put it all on
[1:23:34] the
[1:23:35] >> I think we should split it between you
[1:23:37] two
[1:23:39] so that um even though we wouldn't Well,
[1:23:44] that way everybody participates.
[1:23:46] >> Yeah. Because whe land or whether you
[1:23:48] don't own everybody receives these
[1:23:50] services.
[1:23:51] >> Yeah.
[1:23:52] >> Everybody does. Everybody's
[1:23:53] >> together.
[1:23:53] >> So that everybody can participate and
[1:23:55] that's
[1:23:56] >> and we split.
[1:23:57] >> That's for I mean you break that down
[1:24:00] per day. I mean even if it was $13 a
[1:24:03] month, you break it what 60s something
[1:24:06] cents a day. I mean, most people throw
[1:24:09] that away or something.
[1:24:11] >> What did you say about commercial and
[1:24:15] those that hardly use?
[1:24:17] >> Like I said, this this is putting
[1:24:18] everybody in the same pool, all of our
[1:24:20] commercial customers and our residential
[1:24:22] customers. So if council wanted to
[1:24:25] >> break the residential
[1:24:28] >> load more on residential, load more on
[1:24:30] commercial load or split it evenly
[1:24:32] between
[1:24:34] um
[1:24:35] on the water rate side.
[1:24:37] >> Why would you want to
[1:24:40] >> split it in between? I mean
[1:24:42] >> I think the presidential use less.
[1:24:46] >> Well, but that's what I'm saying. If
[1:24:47] they're lo if they're using less,
[1:24:49] they'll also spend less, right? So if we
[1:24:52] do it consumption based.
[1:24:55] >> Yeah, consumption based.
[1:24:56] >> Say consumption based.
[1:24:56] >> If we do it consumption based.
[1:24:58] >> Well, is this $13 per customer? Is that
[1:25:02] consumptionbased?
[1:25:04] >> They just
[1:25:04] >> That's just per customer.
[1:25:06] >> Per customer.
[1:25:07] >> Yeah.
[1:25:07] >> Right. So a heavier user would pay more
[1:25:10] of
[1:25:12] >> that and a lesser user would pay less.
[1:25:15] >> That's only right.
[1:25:16] >> Yeah.
[1:25:17] >> It's only right.
[1:25:18] >> Okay.
[1:25:19] So you can project that.
[1:25:22] >> So So for instance, this 107 being
[1:25:25] police and fire, do y'all want our debt
[1:25:28] service to pay our tax service to pay
[1:25:32] the note on the police and fire bond and
[1:25:36] the water and utility cost to go towards
[1:25:39] water and sewer cost to repay it?
[1:25:45] You see that there's four there's four
[1:25:47] additional bond payments
[1:25:49] >> for this coming year. The first one,
[1:25:53] do you want
[1:25:55] property taxes to cover the first one
[1:25:57] being that it's police and fire and then
[1:26:00] utility to go into the utility?
[1:26:05] >> Bill trying to get money to buy some
[1:26:07] police cars.
[1:26:08] >> No, this is this was from last year.
[1:26:11] >> We're just paying off. Just trying to
[1:26:12] pay debt.
[1:26:13] >> Yeah, we just pay
[1:26:14] >> for cars that we already got.
[1:26:17] >> Well, let's just
[1:26:18] >> How many police cars do we have?
[1:26:21] >> How many do we have?
[1:26:23] >> How many police vehicles do we have?
[1:26:26] >> How many police vehicles do we have?
[1:26:27] >> I think currently we have 12.
[1:26:31] >> But this is this is money that is
[1:26:33] already
[1:26:35] >> appropriate. We're just trying to pay it
[1:26:37] off.
[1:26:37] >> And they're not asking for more this
[1:26:38] year.
[1:26:39] >> No, we're just paying off debt now.
[1:26:41] deciding how deciding how we're going to
[1:26:43] pay out. So, what's on the table now?
[1:26:47] What do we want the water? He's asking.
[1:26:49] Repeat it again, [name].
[1:26:52] >> Yeah. Do you want the
[1:26:55] >> property tax
[1:26:56] >> the the property taxpayer to pay for it
[1:26:59] or do you want utilities to pay for it?
[1:27:01] >> Do you want it to go on your utility
[1:27:03] bill or your property tax bill?
[1:27:07] >> It's it's $79. If all of it went on
[1:27:10] property tax, it would be $79
[1:27:14] >> using more water than
[1:27:19] you telling you.
[1:27:22] >> So, do y'all want some of it? This right
[1:27:24] here.
[1:27:26] >> Can we?
[1:27:27] >> Right. So, that's kind of what I'm
[1:27:28] saying. So, the police and fire only put
[1:27:31] that on the property tax for
[1:27:33] >> that's everybody would use. Right. And
[1:27:36] then
[1:27:37] >> the ones that go towards sewer and water
[1:27:39] infrastructure, let that come out of
[1:27:41] water and sewer bills.
[1:27:42] >> It sounds,
[1:27:43] >> you know, let the thing that it's paying
[1:27:45] for pay for it
[1:27:47] >> be related to what they're paying for.
[1:27:51] >> The way we borrowed it, we could we
[1:27:52] could load it on either side though cuz
[1:27:54] we didn't know what the next year would
[1:27:55] look like.
[1:27:55] >> Well, we take and we have the
[1:27:56] flexibility.
[1:27:57] >> We think it makes sense for the water to
[1:27:59] go with the sewer part of it and makes
[1:28:02] sense.
[1:28:04] put the water into a building and go
[1:28:07] >> um our current budget
[1:28:08] >> sir
[1:28:10] >> say framing that motion
[1:28:12] >> we have mode
[1:28:14] >> yeah if
[1:28:16] being that there's a directive if y'all
[1:28:17] want to frame a motion that would be
[1:28:19] good um
[1:28:22] if and if we want our
[1:28:25] tax and rev revenue co 2024 that goes to
[1:28:29] the fire and police
[1:28:31] expenses to come out of debt service,
[1:28:33] property tax debt service.
[1:28:36] Um,
[1:28:37] >> and the others that are funding our new
[1:28:40] wastewater plant and our water well
[1:28:43] >> to come out of water utilities.
[1:28:48] >> Somebody got a hold of that
[1:28:50] >> sitting here trying to look at this
[1:28:53] trying to think of h how we could make
[1:28:55] it I mean just crystal clear. I I I
[1:28:58] really feel like
[1:29:02] I'll have to run numbers, but the
[1:29:04] repayment for the fire and police bond
[1:29:07] could probably bring our debt and our
[1:29:10] total tax rate back to about what it
[1:29:12] currently is without increasing it.
[1:29:14] That'll cuz it was it was standing to go
[1:29:16] down some. So, that'll kind of keep that
[1:29:19] flush.
[1:29:19] >> No surprise.
[1:29:22] And then on the um
[1:29:26] on the other side, the water and sewer
[1:29:29] utilities,
[1:29:31] I can come back and present y'all with
[1:29:33] two or three options. But we if y'all
[1:29:35] wish for them to come out of water and
[1:29:37] sewer utilities, then that's the those
[1:29:39] are the options that I'll present y'all.
[1:29:46] >> Or you can tell me something like,
[1:29:49] >> don't tell us too many. We're getting
[1:29:50] too many.
[1:29:52] >> Frame a motion.
[1:29:54] >> Split split the debt repayment out of
[1:29:56] both property taxes and water utilities
[1:29:59] and present us with a couple options.
[1:30:02] And that's what I'll do too.
[1:30:04] >> I think the I think you had like the
[1:30:07] water utility to go with that split and
[1:30:09] the other one go with the property split
[1:30:12] >> and that'll keep our property taxes
[1:30:13] >> and it'll keep every because
[1:30:15] >> without Yeah.
[1:30:16] >> Yeah. So you saying right here where it
[1:30:18] says the 10 cent surplus revenue for or
[1:30:20] 2022 service
[1:30:23] >> the uh
[1:30:26] >> the no the third one those those are
[1:30:29] already assessed.
[1:30:31] >> Okay.
[1:30:32] >> And so they would be the property would
[1:30:34] >> that be the Texan rev um co series 2024
[1:30:37] fire and police.
[1:30:38] >> Okay. Did I see fire and police?
[1:30:41] >> Yes ma'am.
[1:30:42] >> Okay.
[1:30:43] >> Right underneath there.
[1:30:45] >> Yeah. Oh right here. That's what I'm
[1:30:46] saying.
[1:30:47] >> So that's the one you have with the
[1:30:49] property tax service.
[1:30:51] >> Okay. And the one above it,
[1:30:52] >> those those two above it are already
[1:30:54] coming from property.
[1:30:55] >> Gotcha. Okay. And then
[1:30:57] >> from our current rate.
[1:30:59] >> So the fire police and then the tax
[1:31:02] surplus underneath that.
[1:31:04] >> Yes, ma'am.
[1:31:08] >> And that one's coming out of utility.
[1:31:10] >> The next three.
[1:31:11] >> The next three utility circles.
[1:31:15] That's what I'm understanding from
[1:31:16] council.
[1:31:17] >> Yeah.
[1:31:18] >> Okay. Somebody out here.
[1:31:20] >> Okay.
[1:31:20] >> I'll make a motion that we um
[1:31:24] uh take tax and revenue service 2024 for
[1:31:29] fire and police um and use the property
[1:31:32] debt service
[1:31:34] to accommodate that.
[1:31:37] Um in addition to
[1:31:41] tax and surplus revenue service 2024 A,
[1:31:45] B, and C um to
[1:31:52] >> use the water utility uh consumption.
[1:31:57] Um
[1:31:58] >> okay,
[1:32:00] >> that's it.
[1:32:01] >> Y consumption revenue.
[1:32:02] >> Is that consumption revenue?
[1:32:04] >> That's it. If y'all want it all loaded
[1:32:05] on consumption, just to clarify,
[1:32:07] >> I'll say consumption.
[1:32:11] >> Okay, it's a motion.
[1:32:15] We get a second.
[1:32:24] >> Okay.
[1:32:26] >> Okay. Yeah. The first one, the police,
[1:32:28] well, like he said earlier, the police
[1:32:31] um the fire and police were going to
[1:32:33] come out of the property uh debt service
[1:32:35] taxes. Correct, [name]?
[1:32:37] >> Okay. And then the other three were
[1:32:39] going to come from
[1:32:40] >> water,
[1:32:41] >> water, utilities.
[1:32:42] >> And then we're going to use it uh as
[1:32:45] consumption
[1:32:46] and it's going to be
[1:32:48] >> based on who use the most consumption
[1:32:51] based.
[1:32:51] >> Yeah. How much based on what you use.
[1:32:54] You use a lot, you pay a little more. I
[1:32:56] second that.
[1:32:56] >> So basically what it services
[1:32:59] >> is that what Okay.
[1:33:00] >> Yeah. Okay.
[1:33:01] >> And that's what consumption
[1:33:02] >> I I understand that. Yeah.
[1:33:03] >> Okay.
[1:33:05] >> Any other
[1:33:07] heed?
[1:33:08] >> Huh? Okay. It's been second. Okay. It's
[1:33:11] been moved and second. All in favor?
[1:33:14] >> Motion carries.
[1:33:15] >> Okay.
[1:33:15] >> [name], you have your work cut off.
[1:33:17] >> Yes, ma'am.
[1:33:19] >> Okay. Is that Where are we?
[1:33:24] I think that's enough for tonight. I
[1:33:26] have some more. We can continue talking
[1:33:28] um individually with council as I um I
[1:33:31] have two more weeks to bring back a
[1:33:33] draft budget. And so my next two weeks
[1:33:36] are going to be extremely busy,
[1:33:39] fine-tuning those numbers, meeting with
[1:33:40] y'all oneonone, looking at it, getting
[1:33:43] input. I can't make any decisions based
[1:33:45] on y'all's one-on-one meetings, but that
[1:33:47] way y'all are familiarized with it. And
[1:33:49] then we're going to have a meeting
[1:33:50] August the 4th
[1:33:52] >> where the drafts draft I'm expecting the
[1:33:56] from the appraisal district in the next
[1:34:00] >> certified
[1:34:00] >> their deadline is the 25th.
[1:34:02] >> Now when you're saying split now what
[1:34:04] what are you looking at our tax rate
[1:34:06] going?
[1:34:08] >> Well just using some projected numbers
[1:34:12] that I have so far
[1:34:13] >> cuz if they go up a lot I'm I'm not
[1:34:15] going
[1:34:16] >> they go up but down. So,
[1:34:18] >> so using our projected numbers,
[1:34:21] we're we're we're looking at dropping
[1:34:22] our tax rate by about 5 cents
[1:34:25] currently.
[1:34:26] >> And so I feel like we're going to keep
[1:34:28] our tax rate lesser than what we
[1:34:30] currently
[1:34:33] shape.
[1:34:34] >> Our rate will be less
[1:34:37] >> and not more.
[1:34:38] >> Well, that sound
[1:34:40] >> I can't guarantee it, but just looking
[1:34:41] at the numbers if we only repay
[1:34:43] >> the fire and police bond and not the
[1:34:45] others.
[1:34:46] >> Okay. our debt that will we should still
[1:34:49] be able to drop our tax rate because
[1:34:53] the values and the new construction
[1:34:55] overall is bringing everything back up
[1:34:58] our our appraisals
[1:35:01] >> and I also still think we we we need to
[1:35:05] >> keep on the forefront about the lake
[1:35:07] water
[1:35:07] >> me too
[1:35:08] >> and he's going to be
[1:35:10] >> agree I'll work on that
[1:35:11] >> look into he's going to look into that
[1:35:14] >> okay so that brings us two
[1:35:17] >> two executive session
[1:35:18] >> executive session
[1:35:19] >> and if you want to call for both of them
[1:35:21] we don't have to
[1:35:22] >> okay we have two executive session 11
[1:35:25] and 12 and they will both be covered at
[1:35:26] the time uh governor uh code 551.074
[1:35:32] personnel matters consider annual
[1:35:34] performance evaluation of police chief
[1:35:36] fire chief and city administrator item
[1:35:39] number 12 gov code 551.074 074 consider
[1:35:46] personnel matters related to city
[1:35:47] administrator and assistant city
[1:35:50] administrator. At this time we'll
[1:35:52] reconvene into I won't reconvene. We
[1:35:56] will go into executive session and we'll
[1:35:59] you may stay and we move I
[1:36:02] is that the way we do it.
[1:36:07] We'll take a twominut restroom break.
[1:36:11] You can do it in two minutes.
[1:36:16] Friday, we'll be back. Oh man,
[1:36:21] >> we're not we're not through.
[1:36:26] >> That's a lot of stuff. takes a lot of
[1:36:28] cityific.
[1:36:55] It's just that we can move into right
[1:36:57] now. Anybody can move anywhere in there,
[1:36:59] but they have to come to the council.
[1:37:02] But if they have a designated area for
[1:37:04] that mean like right now they agree to
[1:37:06] make it a house.
[1:37:10] >> So housing
[1:37:12] >> and Yeah. And if you and then if you
[1:37:14] want to come in there, you could like
[1:37:16] you have a small business, you can still
[1:37:17] request like y'all do for a trailer
[1:37:19] house.
[1:37:20] So that's the only thing that would
[1:37:21] change.
[1:37:23] >> And so right now it'll be basically it's
[1:37:25] mostly houses over there anyway.
[1:37:31] >> Oh, we're going in there.
[1:37:36] I thought we do it in here like we
[1:37:37] always
[1:37:41] want to do it while I'm while we're
[1:37:43] talking about it.
[1:37:46] I don't even let Jimmy
[1:37:57] >> I wanted to work for it but I want to
[1:37:59] know what
[1:38:01] the I did y'all.
[1:38:04] >> I project my way through
[1:38:13] this.
[1:38:19] >> I'm not going to that.
[1:38:22] >> Okay.
[1:38:29] Let me know. Let me know.
[1:38:47] Let me check.
[1:39:07] >> I'm hoping we can stay in here. Huh? I'm
[1:39:09] hoping we can stay in here.
[1:39:11] Everybody left.
[1:39:12] >> They're leaving.
[1:39:15] >> I mean, then they can come up to the
[1:39:16] podium and talk and then
[1:39:20] >> Oh,
[1:39:24] I know one thing. It got cold in here.
[1:39:26] >> It is cold.
[1:39:32] >> I got cold, Chris.
[1:39:37] This again.
[1:39:44] [Music]
[1:39:46] I don't think so.
[1:39:50] >> It's cold.
[1:39:51] >> It is.
[1:39:52] >> It is cold over here, man.
[1:40:01] >> We remember this.
[1:40:02] >> You got to understand something. Blood's
[1:40:04] been circulating in my body a lot longer
[1:40:06] than it's been circulating in yours.
[1:40:09] H
[1:40:10] >> I said blood's been circulating in my
[1:40:12] body a lot longer been circulating in
[1:40:14] yours.
